Chuck Hayes is a goner. A lot of teams have realized how good he is and will offer him much more than JVG - money wise and playing time wise.
Chuck needs an offensive game. He's not an option at all, and would have to play when Yao is off the floor, so he can stay in the lane and get putbacks. With Yao in the post, Chuck has to clear out, where he's not effective, so that lets teams double down on Yao more easily. He could be a good backup, small minutes guy, but I don't see much more than that. If he's serious about improving, he could at least try to learn good form on his freethrows. Have you guys noticed that when he's releasing the ball, he's leaning BACKWARDS with his TOES off of the floor? Like it or not, Juwon and Stro both have more offensive presence, and their defense and rebounding aren't pathetic, so they'll be ahead of Chuck.
how do u think about Yao after his 13 point game ???? .. how about T-mac's 8 point game ??? ..they are still great players and top 5 players in the NBA>.. NBA players have bad games sometimes.. u cant judge a player by a bad game... and I still think that he played a 100 times better than JHO ..
u have a point, Chuck needs to improve Offensively & he needs to work on his FT's.. but give him a break, Karl Malone shot a pathetic Percentage from the FT line and had an awful release..but they worked on him and he turned out to be one of the better FT shooters in the NBA... but at his current situation, I'd take him anytime over JHO and an " effort-less" Swift... but I completely disagree with u than JHO and Stro hae more offensive presence, I know Swift gets them crazy dunks once a game and JHO hits wide-open midrage J's . but u gotta remember that this is the 4.. u cant say that JHO is a PF.. Hayes has the qualities of a PF except for that he is short.. but he still can rebound and finish under the basket a 100 times better than JHO and Swift.. and dont forget his Defensive abilities...
Yeah because, as I already posted earlier, going from 39% in Nov to 47% now is clearly not improving. Yeah because 2.4, 2.4, 2.6, 2.2, 3.0, 4.1 apg is clearly a sign of not improving. It shows he has gotten worse since his first five games. Yeah because 1.5, 1.9, 1.6, 1.0, 1.5, 1.3 TO's per (combined with his declining apg above) further illustrates his increasing suckitude after the first five games. You are right - it is impossible for him to improve. Especially since he has only gotten worse in all of his numbers throughout the year.
seems like u love stats..well, I think u should take a look at this.. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/luther_head/game_by_game_stats.html make sure u see when his stats went up and when it went down...
Luther Head has improved, from a statistical standpoint. The following charts show his progress in a couple different areas and shows how he stacks up to the league average for guards (PG and SG). The data points plotted are moving 5-game averages. Trend lines also shown to give a general idea of his progress during the course of the season. This shows his Assist-Ratio and Turnover-Ratio. It's not necessary that Luther's assist-ratio be really high, since he's more of a scoring guard than passing guard, but the improvement is encouraging nevertheless. Turnover-ratio you want to be as low as possible, and Luther has improved (slightly) as the season progressed. This shows how True Shooting% (which indicates scoring efficiency). He started off pretty good thanks to lights out three point shoot, it dipped in the middle of the season, but he's come back very strong the last month or so. Here's sort of a composite stat rating, based on Hollinger's game score formula (adjusted to 40 minutes). You can think of it as a quick, easy to calculate substitute for PER. Only thing is it's not pace-adjusted, which actually hurts Luther's rating relative to the league average since the Rockets play at a slower pace. Anyways, you can see that there's been a dramatic improvement overall statistically for Luther since the middle of the season, and overall he's probably playing his best ball right now.
Please explain what that has to do with your argument that Luther is incapable of improving which is what rimbaud was responding to? Several posters have already proven that you are incorrect on many of your assessments on Luther during his first NBA season. It's mind boggling to me that someone would give up on a player after only his first NBA season. It is not my intention to make you feel bad but you are making a fool of yourself. Your bias is making you contradict yourself ... guess what ... Chuck Hayes was a four year college basketball player just like Luther. By your own arguments you have stated that Luther will not improve on his game because if he didn't learn it in college he won't improve in the NBA so I guess that means Chuck will not improve either right??? Then in a response to another poster you contradict yourself and find an example of a NBA basketball player who improved his [Karl Malone] NBA game after college to validate your opinion of Chuck Hayes. Why the double standard on Luther?
the link I posted is LUther's game to game stats.. when analyzed CORRECTLY, it shows u that Luther racked up points mostly in LOSING games and during the period where we had injuries... another thing it shows is his attempts, people were talking about good % for an NBA player.. well, 40% is good for a superstar who takes a lot of "under-pressure" shots, not for a rookie role player who is getting the open J almost every single time ... and talking about Chuck Hayes, the guy is already a great player.. he rebounds, he finishes, he plays good D.. I am pretty sure he can work on his FT (the Karl Malone example).. but even if he doesn't, he is still a great player and a great contributer to the game..on the other hand, Luther "the great rookie" needs to work on TO's, handles, shooting, passing.. what else ?? I think we should buy him a "MAGIC FUNDAMENTALS" video, it might help him... I know I am a little harsh on Luther (maybe not just a little), but it's mainly a result of the crazy season.. I know that I should give him a break because the season was upside-down and he had to play a ton of minutes that he wasn't ready to do because of all the injuries and stuff..if everything went right, he would've probably came off the bench for a good 5-10 mintues and looked much better... I also know that he aint as bad as I pictured him.. but well, he aint as good as other people are saying and demanding to work on him to make our future PG out of him!!!..
Look, I don't agree with your assessment about Luther's shooting (his fg% has been in the mid-40s the past two months), but at least you've put some substance into your posting, instead of your initial post in this thread. That two line post saying that Luther "sux so bad", and should be playing in the NBDL, was garbage. That kind of junk post might fly on some other message boards, but you'll turn off a lot of people on this board with an unsubstantial, childish, obnoxious, rant like that. Drop that kind of behavior, make an effort to explain your arguments, and you'll be a worthwhile contributor whether I agree with you or not.
u r right man.. I was way too harsh on Luther, but that's me, I always go crazy when things aren't going right...
I don't think you need line charts to measure Hayes' game. The kid has a nose for the ball and it clearly shows everytime he steps on the court. I hope the Rockets resign him, he's an energy guy that produces. While he was foul prone last season, I tend to forget he is just a rookie. At 6-6, he could be a defensive liability, but no more than JH or even Swift IMO. I think Chuck will continue to improve and I think he is the type of role player we need on our bench.
Perhaps some of you read this before but for those of you that missed it, here's JVG's take on minutes for Chuck Hayes from March 21. http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2006_4083206 This may explain in part why he didn't get many minutes before the Rockets were out of playoff contention. His minutes have basically doubled in April from March now that we're out of contention (and also due to the fact that we have fewer players available). Perhaps some stathounds out there can check if his stats/min are indeed better with fewer minutes as opposed to when he consistently gets 20+ mins. In any case I agree that he is worth keeping as a backup PF!
He could have been talking about something not in the numbers (team defense, say), but the numbers show he's generally played better with more minutes. Perhaps not surprising, since the coach would be willing to play a role player more minutes in a given game if he's producing. Hayes did have a poor game against Dallas in which he played 12 minutes (which was a lot for him, at the time). Maybe that's what JVG was referring to. Performace vs. Minutes Played Before April Performance vs. Minutes Played (currently)
This thread has been both informative (great work durvasa) and entertaining (keep it going RocketsMac - I can't tell if I should put you on the ignore list or just wait to see what else you say that can get refuted, but it's funny nonetheless).
