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Chronicle Starting to Turn on McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by emjohn, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. Happy Mac

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    hell, watch this season. on games where the knee is not bothering him as much, he's played his ass off. then, typically the very next game, when it's clearly bothering him, he's basically leaving us at 4 on 5 for when he's on the court.

    why would he play his ass off one game and not the other? do you not think that t-mac knows his knee better than others? and so what if it is psychological? if it is and taking off three weeks in december is what it takes to get his body and mind right, then i don't see the issue. we're not going to lose 15 in a row while he's out and eliminate ourselves from the playoffs. if that's the case, we weren't going anywhere to begin with.
     
  2. EssTooKayTD

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    You can't compare advancing in the Eastern Conf vs. the West, especially in the last few years. It's not even close...if this Rockets team was an Eastern Conf team, it'd be different. Heck, even KG went East to find ultimate success. Shoot, they went 7 games in the 1 vs. 8 1st round series.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    so you don't take into account in the playoffs team play harder? teams play tougher D? teams actually hae time to game-plan for the stars? there is more pressure?

    you got more on rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, defensive effort.

    he basically increases every stat ACROSS THE BOARD. outside of lebron james, NOBODY else does that.
     
  4. Illmatic

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    Tmac did not win in the west or the east. And his team has beaten the detroit pistons for the last 2 years. And TMac and Yao can't even get over Utah
     
  5. agentkirb87

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    Again, the problem with that is you have people like Scola that average like 24 minutes a game, shoot over 50%. If he averaged starter minutes (36 minutes a game), he'd nearly be a 20 ppg player, right?

    Except generally the more minutes you play, the more shots you take per game, the worse your FG%. This is just a fact (and thats why you only see Scola play 24 minutes a game). So the fact that Tmac is shooting more, playing more minutes, and averaging the same percentage means he's better because the trend is that your percentages get worse with more minutes.

    Someone brought up that in the playoffs Lebron, Kobe, etc get more minutes and shoot more and generally their percentages go down compared to the regular season. Tmac's didn't...
     
  6. agentkirb87

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    He was always on the 8th seed teams in the East. Again, teams win series, not players.

    You are buying into that media crap that Tmac somehow sucks in the post season because he's never been out of the first round.
     
  7. Illmatic

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    you make it sound like its only the Utah jazz that play harder during the post season. You make it sound like Tmac has a more excruciating post season that any other player in this league. You make it sound like its a sin for TMac to also improve his game since other teams are also improving his game. You make it sound like you are satisfied with Tmac's performance since he got to the rockets. You make it sound like you are an underachiever. Great players elevate their game when the going gets tough,
     
  8. Illmatic

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    Its not just the media, you are a fan, take a look at the man since he got here. If he doesn't suck for how much he is making, then he must have serious bad luck
     
  9. EssTooKayTD

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    you compared Tracy and LeBron. Before i even start, I think LeBron is the best player hands down. Easily over Kobe. Now that I've said that...

    Right now, it's tough in the west. Not an excuse, but saying I don't think the Cavs would do much in the west right now either.

    When T-Mac was in the East, he didn't have what he has now (which they really haven't helped him all too much post season, but I won't even use that excuse/reason). T-Mac plain didn't have much help in Orlando, period.

    You compare, to me, that means you put them in each other's shoes. I'll concede that I think if McGrady was a Cav, they might not beat Detriot. Then again, he was up on them in Orlando, but yep...ultimately lost.

    If LeBron were a Rocket, I don't know if he'd fare much better.

    Point being, McGrady was not why we haven't advanced, in my opinion.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    utah is an extremely tough team to play against b/c they're so physical and you're facing that team 6-7 times in a series? they lead the league in fouls for a reason.

    all i'm refuting is the fact that you said more mintes = increased stats. if that's the case, more players than tracy or lebron would do this.

    the playoffs are a different beast. tracy has elevated his game. it's not just me saying that. it's every analyst/commentators who call his playoff games.
     
  11. emjohn

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    I could not disagree more with that statement.

    If you switched LeBron for McGrady, everything else equal, it's my opinion we'd have been very serious contenders the last two years while the Cavs would have struggled to make the Eastern playoffs.

    Evan
     
  12. heypartner

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    t_mac1 and agentkirb87,

    I'm confused; you seem to be responding to me as if I was bashing TMac. "reading comprehension" problems? 'eh?

    the doctor said one week off then come back on "limited minutes"

    Where did I say I agree with the doctor's basketball philosophy on this? If TMac would rather stop doing the "limited minutes" game plan and come back when he feels fully ready, I'm not going to argue with him. Adelman has already said playing TMac limited minutes can be disruptive. We all actually saw that. He's tried that already.

    sheesh, settle down. you completely misread my post.
     
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    i'm sorry if you had that perception. i was referring to others. i agreed with your post.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    we most likely would have had a better reg. seaosn record and thus face an easier opponent.

    however under all circumstances, i don't think lebron would help us win last year's series considering rafer was out for 2.5 games and yao never played.

    you can argue for 06-07 but tracy put up 29 and 13 in game 7.

    again, the only reasonable argument is we would have probably gotten a 2 seed and play like denver and win.
     
  15. abc2007

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    If Tmac wasn't out in early season every year, Yao wouldn't be injured so ofen. He was overloaded. I remember he even played 50+ minutes in Denver last season.

     
  16. EssTooKayTD

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    Yeah, darn McGrady for making Yao a 7'6" human being!

    Yao would play 48 minutes 365 days a year if it were up to him.

    It is absolutely absurd to blame Yao's injuries on McGrady.

    And *IF* you want to play that card, darn Yao for getting hurt before and making McGrady play the last couple seasons too much and be hurt each year! Yeah, see how stupid that sounds?
     
  17. badgerfan

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    So how long is T-Mac supposed to take off before overcompensation is no longer an issue? A month? A year? Two years? And what's the medical basis for any of those time frames?

    T-Mac is not a doctor. There's no reason that three weeks is just a magical timeframe after which he'll be immune to the dangers of overcompensation. The real doctors said a week, or less.

    And so far as the flu goes, yeah, you can work through it. The point being that you can work through it AND get better. That's exactly the case with T-Mac--the prescription of both doctors was that playing time would aid in his recovery rather than inhibit it.
     
  18. abc2007

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    Actually, we all know it is very likely to be true. Tmac should take some responsibilities for Yao's injury!

    Otherwise, chronicle people and many fans here won't be so 'overact'!

    I hope Yao won't try too hard to be healthy this season. If we cannot make playoffs, maybe we can have a chance to draft Ricky Rubio.

     
  19. EssTooKayTD

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    Again, it's not an exact science. Diagnose, suggest treatment. So it seems like instead of playing in a game and hurting your team, he's chosen to rehab/practice/whatever while not playing. The end result for the health of his knee (Rockets basketball aside) *should* be the same.

    Is it not a win-win situation? He's not out there playing badly, but still building strength in his knee to come back and play better than when he tried to play in games when it's most important.
     
  20. EssTooKayTD

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    Already giving in and talking draft? You are suggesting a tank job already?

    We are currently 1st in our division, meaning home court advantage in the playoffs. BUT again, it's WAAAAY to soon to be talking all that mess.

    "Too soon junior" - Johnny Tran from The Fast and The Furious
     

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