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Chronicle Starting to Turn on McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by emjohn, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. Classic

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    As a fan I'm mad McGrady isn't playing.

    This season is different for me though. I'm a season ticket holder and I'm livid that McGrady isn't playing. I'm paying that guy's salary and it irks me the more and more that I think about the money I've spent and I have to just 'accept' that he is 'hurt'. I'm a big McGrady fan but have grown tired of the antics. I will not be supporting the team next year in the form of season tickets if he doesn't come out of this injury with some passion. What happened to the 'Fierce Tmac'? Guy probably doesn't even know his publicist wrote that form him.
     
  2. t_mac1

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    yes, if you think that's the best tracy can play, then sure.

    the last time he was "fairly healthy," he put up 27, 8, 7 on the jazz. that player remains our guy.
     
  3. badgerfan

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    It's the best he can play this season.

    And that series against the Jazz he barely broke .400 too.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    and that's why tracy knows he's not gonna help the team playing like that. that's why he's gonna take more games off so he wouldn't play like that.

    actually he shot 42% for that series. his career playoff fg% is 43.5% so it's not much of a difference.

    but hey, let's forget his rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and effort.
     
  5. Shroopy2

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    I can go with the notion of McGrady picking it up in the postseason cuz some of his Orlando day jump-ups were flat impressive. He even scored better in the playoffs from his 1 Toronto playoffs.

    I always considered the negative side of that though.. How he's never missed a playoff game (well, he'll only play in 7 or less). If McGrady actually missed a playoff game or 2 to injury, in a weird way to me that'd legitimize his hurtness. Meaning he just CANT go.

    And for instance - a player averages 11 points in the reg season but 21 in the playoffs in 3 or more appearances, thats fine and all but thatd indicate his regular season effort could stand to be better.

    All you have to do to improve later is slack early.
     
  6. sw847

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    What I think the problem is about this issue is that 'Would 3 weeks rest/rehab really help him that much?'

    I don't think anyone here would have a problem if he comes back on fire, but what I worry is if he comes back playing the way he have been then....

    I personally have no problem with him sitting out 3 weeks, but I just don't understand how he performed so well in some games (boston, portland...) and so poorly in others. It just seems like some games his knee is good and others he is hobbling. What I worry is he is just 'giving himself excuses' to his poor performance. Lets just hope that he is really hurt and will come back strong.
     
  7. badgerfan

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    He shot 42% for the series mostly due to an excellent game 6. That means on a bunch of those games he shot around 35%.

    T-Mac had some excellent games in that series, but there were a couple of stinkers in there as well. There's no point in pretending that he was uniformly excellent for every single game.
     
  8. caneks

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    t-mac1: let's get the question straight. Why are you trying to defend for T-Mac by using playoff games in which he never won a single series in his career? Wasn't that funny enough?
     
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    Although true, I think it's pretty well known that you have to play at a certain less-intense level through out the regular season in order to maintain that level of performance. B/c as so many remind us, it's the post season that means anything.

    With McGrady's improved stats in the post season, they really aren't THAT much higher than his regular season. So it's not like he's slacking like crazy right?
     
  10. t_mac1

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    b/c individually, of the current players, only a handful has played better than him individually. and it's not just me who's saying that. every media people too.

    but this is a team game and tracy has failed.

    it's like you're saying dwayne wade's #s this year shouldn't be talked about b/c his team is not having a good year with no potential to do anything. aren't we still going to ignore his 29ppg and 7apg?

    individually and statistically, tracy has always performed. his teams have fallen short.

    there's a reason nobody is giving him the A-ROD treatment despite arod actually advancing in the playoffs. AROD actually disappears in the playoffs.
     
  11. agentkirb87

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    The argument is that Tmac is slacking the regular season. The counter to that is that he always raises his game in the playoffs. It has nothing to do with wins or losses, just level of play.

    If we want to go there, we can talk about how "great" the other players on our team have played during the playoffs.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    he also had an excellent/dominant game 5. and he was huge in game 3 in the 4th scoring 9 pts.

    the stinkers occurred only in games 1 and 2 and those stinkers only came in the 4th when he ran out of gas.

    and really, who can be "uniformly excellent" for every single playoff game of even ONE series? that's why TEAMS win games and series.
     
  13. Dave_78

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    How the hell do some of you think coasting early in the season is going to "give him more fire" in the playoffs? If he was mentally weak before quitting on the team and getting away with it he is only going to be worse than he was before.

    You don't get in better shape by not working out. You don't get more skilled by not practicing and you sure as hell don't get tougher by quitting when things get tough.
     
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    He basically did the same thing last season and it worked out to our benefit. We were arguably a Yao foot injury, Tmac sholder/knee injury, Battier foot injury or Alston injury away from winning that first round.
     
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    and a Kirilenko flop
     
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    You just HAD to remind me didn't ya.

    I feel like going on a killing spree in Utah right about now.
     
  17. Yodels

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    T-mac is a great talent. When he's going good, I marvel a the combination of artistry, skill, and effectiveness.

    This year, he has shown heart in attempting to play. I have liked what T-mac has had to say this year compared to past years. He has really humbled himself. The NBA season is too long practically speaking. There is nothing wrong with missing a few games to improve the body. If it doesn't work, then we know rest isn't the answer, but time.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    how is this coasting? he actually should have sat out to start the season for a month. this is the time he should be coming back and he should be fine by now.

    but he saw our schedule and if he didn't play (+ battier being), we probably would have been 5-13 or 6-12 by now.

    what he did to start the season took a lot of guts. he got humiliated in a ton of games looking extremely scrubbish. you really think any star like playing like that? but he kept plugging until shane returns before he thought about being out again.
     
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    HEY NOW IM NOT ON THE YAO FRENZY. BUT WOULD YOU DO A TRADE YAO & cash for DWISHT HOWARD an cash? :confused:

    I mean Yao is one of my all-time favs. But it would be nice to get a few road wins. And the easy home wins!
     
  20. JoeZ

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    Im glad blinebury he had the balls to do it. T-mac should of thought about his knee when he was suposed to.... After the surgery and rehab it then. I guess he got caught with his shorts down and couldnt coast through the first part of the season. Its amazing how it actually takes some work to fix his knee...It was probably an after thought for him.
     

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