I didn't predict landry would be this good, but a 700K contract is still pennies to an nba team so a contract like that wouldn't have been out of the question without the francis signing. However, you can look at my history and see that I said francis was done last year and would be a total non factor and was a mistake by morey last summer. So the francis thing was not hind sight, since I predicted it to come true 100% last summer, just as I am predicting francis to do nothing this year.
Morey basically affirmed Rover16's point in Friedman's writeup today: [rquoter] "We’re really excited to have him back," Morey says. "We wanted to sign him long-term out of the draft last year; because we didn’t have mid-level we weren’t able to get that done. So now we’re excited to get that done and we’re going to have a great set of players in for training camp.[/rquoter] If the Rockets had mid-level money to work with last year, they would have tried to sign Landry to a long-term deal then, presumably for far less than $3 million/year. And we all know the reason we didn't have any MLE left was the Francis signing. Hindsight indicates that the Francis signing was a mistake, and it cost us some flexibility we might have had otherwise this year. Hard to deny that.
2nd round picks can be offered two year deals without using the MLE. We could have offered Landry two years, even with the SF signing. We just wanted to lowball him due to luxury tax concerns and his unimpressive SL performances. You can't say Francis prevented us from locking him up for three years when we didn't even offer him two.
Landry was a big part of the second biggest run in NBA history. No GM in the league was going to let him sit at $700k this season. I seriously doubt Scola will be playing on his current contract next year. Do you actually follow the NBA?
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Rockets_To_Match_Offer_For_Car-283207-34.html That could turn out to be pretty important.
fair enough. I will just lay-off then, because I have to admit I was sucked into fan boy mode when we signed francis and I had hoped for the best. after reading his latest interview, it's kind've hard to make an argument for him at this point that isn't more wishful thinking...
Do you guys realize that even if we don't exercise the option for the third year, not only do we have his bird rights, but he is still a restricted free agent? I'd say that we're in a pretty good situation.
Not every move will work out, but it's all about managing reward vs risk. Morey saw potential reward from Francis situation and made the move last year. It didn't work out as he planed and led to the mess this summer, but it was still a manageable situation.
So, if we had signed Landry to a 2-year deal last year, he wouldn't have been restricted after this season?
Here's the thing and maybe some other posters would know, but I still don't know what point you are trying to make. If landry had signed a 2 year deal last year, he would be making 700K max this year. I've said this a few times now and each time you respond back by saying landry wouldn't play for 700K. Why are you saying that when landry would be under contract for 700K and would have to play for that amount or be suspended by the team for not honoring his contract?
Let's assume Landry breaks out into a serious player. As it is, we paid Landry around 500K last year, and will pay him $9m over the next 3 years. Total cost over 4 years: $9.5m Under your scenario, we would've paid Landry a total of $2.1m in his first 3 years, and then he would've been up for a pay day in year 4. If you think at that point Landry is/will be a ~$7.5m+ player, we still came out ahead. If he's not worth ~$3.5m, then our current situation allows us to opt out year 4 (year 3 of the contract). The marginal difference of cost between what happened in reality, and what would've happened if we had taken care of Landry up front is minimal.
Reading the last few pages of this thread, it's apparent that one of these two things is true: * Rover16 is smarter about this stuff than everyone, including Morey. * Everyone, including Morey, is smarter than Rover16. I know which one I'd put MY money on.
But how much salary Landry gets this year and next year would be much different. Further, without Francis on the books, we wouldn't have to struggle this year to get under the LT threshold. That's another cost you need to add into the equation. The main thing right now is maximizing our ability to compete for a championship this year, and then next year. Locking in Landry at 700K/year and being under the LT threshold would give us more flexibility to do that.
Isn't dealing with reality a bit more fun? I'm about ready to post a large, wrecked train in this thread!
It doesn't have to be a trading asset nor should be one provided if Landry is healthy. He has a very important role to play. Dorsey is not his replacement. Trading Carl for just remaining under the LT or getting another pick won't be good for the team. I don't see him getting a quality PG or a quality 5 to replace Deke. If he isn't healthy enough to last for most of the season,his trading value will go down and that will be very bad for the team. There are other ways to get something for nothing. A scope would definitely be better than a MRI. I hope management has done due diligence before making this decision.
If you have read his comments on Francis and Marbury,you know he is either smarter than God or he is just a hater.
I don't really dispute any of that and the whole point I've been making is the mess of this whole landry thing should have never happened this summer and could be traced back to a mistake last year with the francis signing. As someone already pointed out earlier, morey confirmed this fact this morning when he said his plan all along was to sign landry long term last year, but couldn't cause we didn't have any of the mle left. Why didn't we have any of the mle left? Because of steve francis. It's pretty black and white and there's no really dispute that fact anymore now that we have morey confirming it himself. http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Rockets_To_Match_Offer_For_Car-283207-34.html
Sorry I didn't see your post. No I'm not saying that at all, but I don't believe Morey (or any GM) would not try to lock him up beyond the 2nd year and try to pay him now. Landry might have refused the extension offer, but I firmly believe a fair offer would have been made at least and then there would have been somewhat more of a normal negotiation. I think Morey, Landry and his agent did well under the circumstances. Carl just earned his money and it's just a little more than some think he's worth. I'm happy though.
Not true. I never said I was smarter than morey. I said morey made a mistake with the francis signing last year and is the cause for the landry mess of this summer. Smart people can still make mistakes, and morey made a mistake.
