What are you talking about? When have I ever said landry would cost out of the ball park? The max a team could offer landry was the full mle and I don't consider that out of the ball park. As I've said time and time again, you have scrubs like diop and turiaf making 5 mill, so landry making that would be no big deal. The limiting factor was the fact scola is underpaid while making 3 mill so morey could not justify paying landry more than scola, hence the low ball offers. If you've really followed what I've been saying all summers is that morey goofed with landry last year and that landry should be locked up with the rockets for 3 years at 700K per and would have been without the francis signing.
Sweet, this was the last rotation player we needed in. Deke prolly wont come til December i would assume. Dorsey will be this week but this was the last piece. I'm very excited.
Sure there's a way to deny your rationale - there's no way in hell you have such a valuable rotational player sucking on a $700k salary for 3 years and everyone here knows it. This is not 1995.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.....the move was VERY "Morey" like. It was a low risk move that brought in a vet player at a bargain value price. It's funny how you keep saying "any other GM in the league" when there were quite a few "other GMs in the league" that were interested as well. Again....Steve Francis was not signed because of fans, that's completely stupid, he was signed because he had value at the time for this team, during a team when the front office/coaching staff weren't even sure Alston was going to be the backup PG (hello Mike James) let alone the starter. Basically your living in a "hindsight is 20/20" world and now are trying to force a whole bunch of crap down people's throats when in reality the situation was MUCH MORE Grey at the time.
No but there is a Yao, Tmac, Artest, and top tier role players all around and a excellent bench. I know I'm in the small minority, but I'm fine with Rafer starting on this team.....he proved alot to me last year.
From the Chron: "The Rockets roster seemsto be coming together in time for players to report on Monday with most of the players that had offseason surgery cleared to begin training camp on Tuesday. Tracy McGrady (shoulder and knee) has been scrimmaging, and Rafer Alston (ankle) practiced on Thursday. Shane Battier (ankle) worked out Thursday morning though he has not had his physical and Steve Francis (knee) said he is hoping to be cleared this weekend." Yes sir let's get Steve healthy so every position will be loaded. Only time shall tell...
I'm glad that's taken care of. I couldn't stand any more "Will Landry sign?" threads. That's one down, Dorsey and another big man next
You don't understand how 2nd round contracts work do you? There's a pretty set standard for them. Monta ellis made 700K for the past 3 years, boozer would have made 700K for 3 years too, if he didn't boozer the cavs. Landry would have made 700K for 3 years too if not for the francis signing. So your this is not 1995 comment is pretty ridiculous and shows your lack of knowledge about 2nd round contracts.
if francis had value (not in a contractual sense, but in his ability to contribute toward winning basketball games) then why did portland buy him out, when Pritchard knew he was going to have to pay him either way? answer: francis was done then, and he's done now. he wasn't going to contribute, so Pritchard essentially let him go ride so that he could ride the end of the bench somewhere else. GMs are in the business of assembling teams to win basketball games. Pritchard paid Francis $30M to go away so that he could use his roster spot for rookies and developmental players. think about that a minute, that having a free roster spot was considered more valuable to portland than Francis was. and you think he has value?
Sorry, you don't understand. Most 2nd round picks, particularly those drafted to good and deep teams (see Marcus Williams to SA, that Nevada guy to Dallas), do not get 2, let alone 3 year contracts (part of the MLE). Most of them, at best, get 2 year guaranteed minimum deals, some only 1 year partial deals (see Marcus Williams now looking for a job). Landry, like almost all 2nd round picks, would have jumped at a 2 year fully guaranteed minimum deal last year. We didn't offer him that because it didn't look like he would make the 15 man roster after all the unforeseen acquisitions after the draft (and being outperformed by Harris at the summer camp didn't help). Now there is a trend of late for teams sometimes breaking into a MLE for a 3 year contract for some really promising (in their eyes) 2nd round picks. This is to give the team a little extra flexibility, with the team option on the 3rd year in most if not all cases (which makes it not as good as a 2 year guar min deal where if the player proves their worth can re-up with EBRs after year 2--see Big Baby after next year). But this again is the exception, and Landry like 99% of other 2nd round amatuer draft picks would have jumped at the 2 year full min deal. The contract Francis signed had little to do with the situation about Landry, except that we had unexpectedly added Francis, Scola & Butler to our roster, and were going to have to cut players already under contract to make the 15 maximum.
Portland had no need for a aging vet that was just coming over from the "knicks debacle".......if you haven't noticed yet. Portland is trying to build the best "YOUNG" team in the league while also trying to get away from the "jailblazers" image and they're doing a fantastic job at it. Just because a player is bought out doesn't mean that player didn't have value....the deal Portland made was worth it to them, because they were able to rid of Zach Randolph also.
Nope, you're the one that doesn't understand. The guy I was responding to said it would be ridiculous to have a rotation player signed to 700K for 3 years and you've just helped me back that up. The 3 year 700K contract is the max end of a deal for a 2nd round pick. If not the 3 year deal, it would have been a 2 year deal like you said. Either way we would have had landry for cheap for at least 2 years minimum and because of francis we don't. Thanks for proving my point though.
Everybody knows what 2nd round pick contract typically looks like. My point is Landry wouldn't be playing here this year under a $700k contract. Morey's not that foolish and Les isn't that cheap. Your inference that the SF signing in hindsight hurt the team where Landry is concerned is just weak given the roster Morey's assembled. And Landry's one of his best picks/plays.
as people have continually stated to you THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SUMMER, you are manipulating the actual facts from that summer for your own agenda... after summer league, there was a good chance that Landry was not going to be signed at all because he was simply outplayed by Mike Harris. at the time signing Francis appeared to be a much better option than locking up a player who did little to impress in summer league. in retrospect EVERYONE was wrong about Landry, if you said that Landry was going to be this good after summer league, or when he was signed, go ahead and prove it and I will give you a full apology...but until then quit it with all this garbage...you are beating a dead horse
No you are not. I just do not understand why on this board has so much hate toward him, who is undoutedly a starting calibre PG and FITS THIS TEAM EXTREMELY WELL.
Lol what? Of course landry would be playing here for 700K this year if he signed a 2 year contract last year. Landry of course would never sign a 700K this year, but if he was locked into a 2 year deal, he would have no say in the matter. If 2nd round picks prove themselves to be worth more than their initial contract than they get a raise. Just look at monta ellis. He spent 3 years making 700K, and then got a huge raise to 11 mill a year this year. So I really don't know what point you're trying to make unless you think landry would have broken his contract this year and refused to play at 700K this year if he was under contract for that amount.
And when Francis returns to form and kicks ass this year you'll be eating it! Cake that is, because now, by having landry and francis, we can have our cake and eat it too! At least, I hope that's what will happen.
