Can't help it. I'm lazy. I would have cut myself off a long time ago. I think it's another cultural issue though. Take care of your kids until they're ready to take care of themselves.
Apparently you are done with this discussion, or else I would ask how statements of assumption of another race based soley on race can be justified by calling them statements of "what is indigenous to their culture " for certain groups and not for others. But as you're weary of this discussion, I'll keep it to myself.
rimbaud - France had the biggest army in the world right before WW2 started. Thats just a fact. If you don't believe me, there's nothing else i can tell you.
How can you justify racial prejudice for one group as a summary of their culture and experience while calling another groups' perspective racist? It either is or it isn't...but I thought you were done...and frankly so am I, cause you never answer my questions or address my points, you just sidestep them and follow it up with hypocritical generalizations, weak rationalizations, and attempted humourisations.
not in this thread, bob...i asserted that the chinese typically view contracts very differently than americans do...plain and simple...this was during the yao ming discussions before the draft...i was called out as being racist. not asking for a pity party...just pointing out that it has a chilling effect on conversation.
You really are funny Nomar...although I do feel sorry for you. You got cheated somewhere. So, yes, I and every history (of all kinds) book in my collection don't "believe" you. Besides, I didn't just want your statment - you were supposed to dig up all of this stuff to prove me wrong.
Yeah, what rimbaud said! I agree with just about everything he just typed. I'm Asian, and I grew up around Filipinos, Vietnamese, Indians, etc. as a kid. Most of my friends growing up were minorities with the majority of those being black. I knew some extremely dumbass Asians. We're talking borderline fungus level intelligence. I went to India and saw students on strike... I asked why they were striking and what they were striking against? They really had no answer - they just wanted to strike. Now that's pretty dumb, no? I happened to be successful because I was brought up with discipline. I happen to have some money because I was taught to spend wisely when young, and you'll have a lot more to spend when you're old. I had parents that would die to see me succeed and worked their asses off when they came to this country so they could see me succeed. Yet, nothing I've said is really different from what I know white people could do, black people could do, etc. If you ask me what is missing in this culture vs. a large proportion of other cultures, it's discipline. Without discipline nothing else matters. People live for the "now" and the immediate rewards. Life twenty years from now seems to be meaningless to many. They're more worried about partying and having fun 20 minutes from now. I could go further into how I was raised, what my family taught me growing up, my belief system as I grew older, etc., but for brevity's sake, I won't. Anyway, instead of asking "What are Asians doing that we're not?" ask "What are successful people doing that we're not?". Success has more to do with an individual than the society, but in order to understand that, you have to first understand that the individuals make up the society.
Can nobody out there back me up? I don't ****ing have TIME for research. I have to go to this econ exam review which im 20 minutes late for, i have to take a shower, do laundry, and probably order a pizza. France had the biggest army. Thats a fact.
What about those of us in the middle, or those who choose not to take a side? Will they make up the third team that takes on the winners? B
TJ you've once again misrepresented and misinterpreted statistical data to "prove" your points. All of which brings everything back to your initial and some would say racist question which was... The question remains: Are their fundamental differences, independent of education and cultural upbringing, that lead to differentiation amongst races? You've asked and followed up on this question under some veil that the answer is yes but as AB rightly pointed out you're too chicken **** to really come out and assert anything to back up your opinion on the matter. If you believe there are some instrinsic qualities of race that have led to asians being more wealthy than whites or any other race then post it, otherwise you've done nothing but bait a hook here and play cheerleader.
Timing, once again you fail to accurately represent a situation. Jeff made the chicken**** comment, not AB. AB invited me to see his comedy act. Secondly, I'm not taking sides on the issue. I'm just asking a question and hosting the debate. Your position on the issue seems to be to take offense, not to contribute to the discussion.
MacBeth, this is an excellent quote. If I may steal it for a moment, I would like to invite Timing to read this and think about it.
Lazy bastid. My life basically parallels gr8-1's I think. Except I have a job and he's still a leeching bum. My mom came here with $8 and my dad came here a college dropout. They're worth a boatload now, but still live a pretty simple life. They don't waste money, they don't do anything extravagant, and they don't try to show off or follow trends. I was taught to work my ass off, and I was taught that they would always be there if I ever needed help no matter if I'm 15 or 100. Their only goal in life was to see me be successful and they'd kill to see that happen (by the way mom & dad, thanks and you're welcome ). My parents never b****ed about anything related to them being beat down when I grew up. My mom would always say things like "God didn't give me much of a brain, but I make up for it because he gave me the ability to work". I used to joke around with her and say things like "you're not too bright are you?" and give her a hug. She'd respond with something like - "I came here with $8, now I make $80,000... who are you to judge me?" My dad was a disciplinarian and expected all kinds of things out of me. He dropped out of college to help his parents because they were pretty impoverished in India. Oddly enough I followed in his footsteps and I dropped out of college as well. I dropped out due to his illness and college was boring the hell out of me. To me it seemed like busy work. I wanted to be successful before he passed on to show him, "hey, I took a detour, but I'm here... you did a good job". The day I told them I decided to drop out of college to go work at a cheesy job in a small IT department working up to 70-85 hours a week for about $20k a year, was the first time I thought they had given up on me. They were disappointed beyond belief. This really broke their heart and for the first time I thought my mom was going to give up on me... but nope... she didn't. She kept supporting me in whatever I wanted to do and always said they'd be there to help. To this day, they say if the tech downturn causes me to lose my job, I can go leech off them for however long I want. My parents grew up with no money, so they taught me how to invest my money since I was 15. Being disciplined about finances as well as other things helped me more than anything in life. They taught me not to believe the saying "in order to make money, you have to have money". Watching them work their butts off to go from broke to being wealthy still inspires me to this day. I remember my mom and dad worked like mad so they could pay $700 for my first encyclopedia set and $1300 for my first computer. I still think about that to this day. Had they not bought me that computer and kept me inside the house instead of running around getting into trouble (which I used to always do), I wouldn't be as happy as I am in life right now. On the other hand, my dad used to watch his money so closely he'd look at me like I was nuts when I asked him to buy me a $1 Hot Wheels car. I still laugh at that. Whenever I tell them now that "you never used to buy me anything as a kid... like that hot wheels car...", my mom jumps in and asks "you want us to buy it for you now? Is that what's missing in your life? You want a hot wheels car? Come on, we'll buy it!" I could go on and on about my parents, but there's not enough space. What I want to say is that ANY parents can be like my parents. They took it on themselves to work their butts off, they didn't boot me out of the house at 18, they understood that being a parent means more than providing a roof and food for me, etc. I don't think this is "an Asian thing". Anyone can do this. I just happened to luck out. The important thing is that they, as individuals did this. Now if I have kids, I absolutely intend to continue the "tradition". If they have kids, I hope they do so as well. Guess what? Now you have a bunch of Indians (or whatevers) all doing the same thing. At that point have we created the stereotype to fit your arguments? Or have you created a stereotype to fit my family who happen to be Asians? Hmm...
Well, Nomar, here you go...These are the figures just before the invasion of the Netherlands, Belgium, etc., before the invasion of France, and are the German forces vs. the combined Allied forces in service, not just in Europe. Consider that the British alone had divisions comitted to Egypt, India, ect., not to mention all their forces in Britain proper, and it's clear who had the larger armed forces. When you add airforces, and the Germans damn near had more firepower than all the Allies COMBINED, and the latter were very spread out, while the Germans were very concentrated in Europe. Additionally, the Japanese land forces were at 1, 196, 000 men in 1939, and the claim that France had the biggest army in the world is ridiculous. ************************************************* Relative Strength of German/Allied Strength, May 10, 1940 Germany Allies Inf. Div. 119 119 Motor Div. 7 7 Tank Div. 10 11 Airborn Div. 1 - Total Div. 136 137 Tanks 2580 3000 ************************************************* All figures at http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/ww2.htm In addition, the German Airforce outnumbered the combined Allied Air Force 3634 aircraft to 2613. There you go, Nomar. So unless you figure that the British landforces comprised only 420 tanks and no infantry divisions, your 'fact' is, in a word, wrong.
