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[Chronicle] Adelman Safe Choice For Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Chuck 4, May 16, 2007.

  1. Amel

    Amel Contributing Member

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    wrong after all

    you have been the one who praised Alston, Jvg and some other players even tho they did not contribute much....

    just look at your post history

    about firing JVG
    rafer vs vernon
    these are your 10-15 last posts

    you only post 'protecting' of Rafer and JVG or hate on Spanoulis, that is probably what you have on mind, 'padding hating trash '
     
  2. GermanRoxFan

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    to begin with it was never about battier OR gay. the rockets needed both. reality is, though, that to get a guy like battier you have to give up a lot. of course the rockets would have been a lot better if they could have gotten battier and could have kept swift and gay. the rockets would have been a much better team. but on the other side i would always trade for battier. he's so valuable... just not as a 3rd option on offense.


    and gater, since you know a lot about salary cap stuff you should know that the rockets didn't have too many options last offseason. granted, they gambled and got burned but that gamble was their only good option. if it had played out cd would have been the executive of the year.

    it's not about jvg being a major factor in getting the right personnel. it's about realistic options. tell me again where they were last offseason. how exactly could the rockets have gotten a solid backup pg, a reliable third scoring option and a starting caliber pf?

    so of course you can have it both ways with jvg. he did a good job with what he had. but what he had was not enough. but if you want to blame him for that that's not fair. if there's someone to blame it's v-span and wells. both had their chances and disappointed badly. it was a gamble by the rockets. and it didn't work out. it wasn't the fault of a single person. it was everybody's fault. the manegement could have brought in more talent. v-span and bonzi could have used their chances. t-mac could have had his jumper back. yao could have destroyed okur and stopped playing like it was 2004. jvg could have been more flexible and creative. rafer could have shot better. a couple of our bench players could have delivered at least something.

    you've gotta open your eyes folks. this one's on everyone.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    As to "unnneccesarily difficult" defensive assignments... how come it wasn't difficult for the rest of the guys?
     
  4. GermanRoxFan

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    come on. you've gotta be better than this. look at my post count and look at yours. now think again. and at least put those posts from me into the right context.

    it's just amusing when the guy that always posts the same trash over and over again brings up that kind of stuff.

    i mean 90 of your 100 posts every day are the likes of:

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    i'll stop right here with that nonsense...

    and sorry to the other members here for letting him drag me down on his level. i'll ignore him from now on.
     
  5. GermanRoxFan

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    no edit function here: i hope it's obvious that my last post was directed at amel.
     
  6. Amel

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    not really..check again and stop watching your AND1 mixtapes, it aint like that
     
  7. orbb

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    we already have a jerry stackhouse type player. And if we were to have had Stackhouse on our team, he would have become a defensive specialist who can only make open 3s (either that or its the doghouse :p )
     
  8. JayZ750

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    I propose a ban on people posting stuff like this...."if it had only worked out..."

    It DIDN'T work out. We LOST. The Jazz are going to the WCF, not the Rockets.
     
  9. sirbaihu

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    There are so many freaking haters on this board it's not even fun talking about the Rockets here. "Wah wah wah if I was coaching the team we'd be going to the Western Conference Finals right now." Dude, what are you waiting for? JVG might be on his way out! Just show Les Alexander all the posts you made here, and maybe we'll all have a big lovefest next year as you, yes you, show T-Mac and Yao the way past the first round directly to the championship trophy. I'm sure T-Mac will take you very seriously as soon as you start saying some of that dope shizz you always type up here.

    Looking at the Van Gundy era, I don't see one season in which we could reasonably have been expected to win more than we did. People hate slow ball. Guess what: there's a dude named Yao Ming on our team; he can't play up and down. People diss Rafer. Guess what: Mike James shot more per minute than Yao when he was on the Rockets. People diss Battier: he is the main spark on the defensive end. He's on the freakin national team. Oh wait, I forgot, you're smarter than Coach K too. Hey can you just coach every team I'm interested in? Thanks. Diss Hayes: WTF. You guys are way beyond JVG as sourpusses. I though this whole fan thing was about joy, not venting frustration from the stress in other areas of your life.

    I love the Rockets and the coach and all the guys on the team! The only ones with their panties in a bunch are the whiners on this board.
     
  10. MiddleMan

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    contribute to the tip jar so you can edit

    at least you are honest that your agree with jvg and love rafer as our point to bad they are very few of yall if any but your setting your self up to be dissed on.
     
  11. Will

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    My general rule about disputes like these, in sports as in politics, is that both sides are right. Hillary's a robot, Mitt's for sale, Obama's mostly blather, Rudy's a faithless scumbag. And in this case, Les is a jerk, Morey is unready, Adelman is no upgrade, AND Van Gundy is a failure. There is no path to sunshine from where we are. Our team isn't good enough, and we have no reasonable expectation of acquiring enough talent this offseason to change that. With Adelman, we'll be fighting to get out of the first round. With Van Gundy, we'll be fighting to get out of the first round. Neither one will get Yao to the next level, turn McGrady into a clutch performer, or invent an offense that suddenly makes Luther Head or Juwan Howard multitalented.

    So this is Van Gundy's spin on his departure. And the part about Les is probably true. But the part that exonerates Van Gundy, giving him all the credit for the team's accomplishments and none of the blame for its failures, is pure bunk. If you want a true assessment of Van Gundy's performance, imagine what Van Gundy himself would say to the media about a player who delivered results like these over a stretch of games.
     
  12. GATER

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    You can't be serious.....?

    Here's a phrase to add to your vocabulary..."Win Now"...it most certainly was about Van Gundy AND Morey overestimating how close the Rockets were to competing with the WC elites. They totally disdained the upside of Gay and the backup C-PF abilities of Swift for a one-dimensional spotup shooter who could play VG's defense. No one...NO ONE....associated with the Rockets...ever felt they didn't have enough with just Battier.

    That was the core of "Win Now" and I won't let you re-write history with a trite statement like "they needed both Battier and Gay".


    They didn't have too many options? Agreed. But what happened? They wouldn't give Mike James a trade kicker. While I can't put the blame at the feet of VG, I can tell (as I have for the 3rd time now) they he wouldn't/didn't play Spanoulis OR Wells. Yes...they didn't have many options but YES....VG didn't utilize the options he had.

    You can let VG whine about upgrades...I won't....dance with who you brought to the party even if it wasn't your first choice.

    This one is on everyone? Absolutely NOT. If the fans of the Houston Rockets will accept the results of this seasons' "Win Now"...they are Cubs fans and deserve to continue to wait until next year. I hate the Yankees but have every expectation that the Rox will be viable candidates for the WC Crown every year. They aren't and Gundy is as guilty as anyone in the organization.
     
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  13. Rocket River

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    I am not hear to praise Alexander. . but to throw him under the bus - Richard Justice



    Rocket River
     
  14. Yetti

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    If Management don't see the need for major roster relacements, it doesn't matter who is the coach! Our Rockets will continue to be first round fodder! :p
     
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    What a joke of an article. JVG leaving is the only way rockets can go from pretenders to contenders.
     
  16. mmesser

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    Nickname: Rick "Gruffy" Adelman
     
  17. Blake

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    While I agree with points that both of you made in your posts, I want to point out that Bonzi did play when his fat *ss was healthy. He wasn't a good fit. With a different coach? Maybe. But he did play. And he did quit on the team
     
  18. Uprising

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    So I'm lost. I guess it's the sun getting to me. But JVG is gone!?!!!!?????? :eek: :confused:

    I thought it was all just rumors!
     
  19. Blake

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    Not yet. But when your owner and GM are interviewing other candidates, the writing is pretty much on the wall
     
  20. thewaterox

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    Man that was worth a good laugh! Thanks Invisible Fan.

    Justice must be on JVG's payroll to print an article like that or maybe he'll get a percentage of what the Rockets will have to pay JVG to go away. The roster does need a major upgrade and I hope our new GM Morey and Adelman work together and get it right because CD and JVG didn't work well together.

    It will be nice to see the Rockets score points without the labor pains. I swear this team has been tough to watch under JVG. I hope to see the Rockets score now on a 3 on 1 fast break instead of a missed shot or a turnover.
     

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