Chronic: Texans coaches deserve much blame; Carr being Carr

...and be a force against the run. Right?

 

Because they weren't one-trick ponies. There's more to being a DE than getting sacks. How well did end-arounds and reverses go against Bruce Smith?

 

but mario isn't great against the pass, and that's what he's supposed to be first. its like people arguing reggie bush had a great year because he caught a bunch of dump off passes.

 

Forgive me but why?

 

No, he sits out on all those plays. He only lines up when it's clearly a passing down.

 

he isn't great against the pass. that's what he is supposed to be. and I don't think anyone has proved he's great against the run. how many tackles does he have?

 

That's arguable. He's got room to grow, but he's definitely better than last year, and he wasn't bad last year. Of course, you don't think he's good against the pass at all if all you look at is sack numbers.

I just don't see this. If he's out there on running downs, too, why is sacking the passer supposedly his preeminent responsibility and the only thing on which we're allowed to evaluate him? I mean, you chided me earlier for asking for other evaluations. Why is it ten sacks or nothing?

 

first you need ric to make your point after waiting hours to reply and then jump on and say "yeah that's what I'm saying", and then you pile on other's replies. classy

 

That is ridiculous. You obviously know very little about the defensive end position. The end is supposed to CONTAIN. That is their number one priority. Once you contain the play, then you go after the run or the QB. The QB does not take precedence over the run. Ever.

You just got totally owned by Ric and you just won't admit it. VY will never play for the Texans. Ever. We drafted MW and you know what, he isn't half bad. Get the **** over it.

 

So, when Seymour likely goes to the HOF is there going to be a qualifier on his plaque that reads: "I know his numbers aren't what you expect of a top DE of his day, but you've got too understand that expectations are different in a 3-4 defense."?

 

We have argued on the same side of the Francis argument my friend but you are wrong on this one, trust us in all of our obviously superior football knowledge when we say that Mario is a beast or maybe just short of it at this point in his career, maybe one day he will reveal his greatness to casual football fans liek yourself. I will pray that he does so you too can see his beauty.

 

dude, why are you steady arguing about this. defensive ends in the three four aren't pass rushers. what are you arguing about? its a different situation. how many freakin times does that need to be said before you understand the point?

i never said he wasn't good, i said his expectations are different, now for the fourth time.

 

he would do the exact same thing but with VY. post an absolute statement with a picture next to it.

 

Which is it pgabs? Do I "act like I know more than everybody" or do I "need Ric to make my point"?

From 11:43 to 1:35. I went to lunch. It was tasty.

We're all just here talking about DE's. You only feel "piled on" because no one's agreeing with your take.

You've been the very definition of class today; take it from this "arrogant homer".

 

Nobody would be questioning Mario if he was collapsing passing pockets and showing quickness on the edge and if he was raising eyebrows overpowering opposing linemen, (And the Sacks would be there)

Mario is OK, could develop into greatness, could... I think.........I wish....


He is a solid contributor, much like Johnson and Maddox and Weaver.

Now is he showing us why we drafted him #1 overall?

I'd still take him over Bush, but I will not say any more about that draft.

 

Ha, you must've have really thought that of my last post, I am happy with Mario's progression and except for someone blindly wishing for VY, I don't see how they could not be thrilled to have Mario too.

I mean you have to be blind to not see how he and Amobi too have affected our defense. IMO we are fortunate to have them both.

 

fair enough; but it speaks to the larger point: if you were actually watching the games, you would have known something was off about that stat because they've been downright stingy against the run.

when i saw it, i immediately rushed to verify because i knew there was no way they were 16th. sure enough....

not his first three years, when he totaled 14.5. as a DT, he total shot up to 8.6/season, but i doubt it had ANYTHING to do with fuller and jones rushing from the edge.

78/9 averages out to 8.7/season. mario's on pace this year for 8. does that help clarify my point at all?

and no one - not a single, solitary person - offered that mario williams was as good as howie long. YOU asked for DEs who were considered great but not necessarily because of their sack totals. not only did i name three, but i named a sack artist that WASN'T considered a great DE. (you could add dan hampton to the list, too, btw - another HoF DE.)

and you're only retort is to harumph something about mario williams - in his second year - not being as good as HoF'er howie long.

that piece of land you're so ignortantly defending is getting smaller and smaller.........

must be another mistake on nfl.com - three of those guys aren't in the hall of fame.

but, again, i would submit three of those guys were all-around GREAT defensive ends who were transcedent because they racked up a bunch of sacks, and all four played on generally-considered greta defensive units. i wouldn't term the 07 texan defense great - would you?

ahhhhhhhh..... gotcha. and they drafted jacoby jones to be a WR so i guess we'll dismiss anything he does on special teams since that wasn't their stated reason for drafting the guy....

the name of the game is to win; you don't that, in part, by stopping the other team from scoring, which they can do either through the air or -- this is important -- on the ground.

i guaran-****ing-tee you, based on how myopic and childish your argument today has been, that if mario was averaging 12 sacks a year but RBs were blowing by him on the 700 other plays from scrimmage, you wouldn't be dismissing run defense as "moot."

he is very good against the run and has had a positive impact on the team's overall defense, including its ability to rush the QB. i wish he had more sacks, but not because it would in any way validate his contributions in my mind, but so it'll shut guys like you and this king characater up.

 

no, ric is just your daddy

yes, and you admitted that you needed them to answer the question.

I don't need help like mario

always glad to play down to my comp

 

Cheese and rice, dude.