Chronic: Texans coaches deserve much blame; Carr being Carr

You judge impact only by sacks evidently. To each his own.

There; I fixed that for you.

 

MLBs are defensive QBs. they play off the line and in the middle of the field; they SHOULD be around the football on most plays. but one of the reasons ryans is able to consistently make so many plays is because the NUMBER ONE pick, along with okoye, johnson and weaver, forms one of the better defensive lines in football. it takes a village...

pgabriel, the texans have the - well, i don't watch other teams, so i'll say one of the worst secondaries i've ever seen in my life. 3 of the 4 should not be starting. sacks are a component of good units all doing their part. look at the names you mentioned and find one that didn't play on an above average, or better, defense.

just as carr was as much to blame for sacks allowed as the OL, the DBs are not helping things by not being able to cover receivers. when a QB can find an open receiver within 3-4 seconds of the snap, your sacks are going to suffer.

but watch a game and specifically mario williams. he blows up running plays, he forces guys to the middle (where they now have better DTs), teams run plays AWAY from him, and he pressures the QB often. but sure, let's evaluate him on 10 plays. that's like evaluating matt schaub ONLY on his TD throws (which, as of right now, is less than david carr had after four games last year - i guess we're not as good an offensive team as we were in '06, huh?)

 

so how does this excuse him from poor sack numbers when a rookie is out performing him.

only a homer or the town idiot would claim that the number one pick in the draft who's an end doesn't need to get stacks to justify his draft position.

yes, he and the defense had so many intangibles that shut down that potent atlanta offense led by future hofer harrington.

 

10 seconds before this is spun as an "excuse". T minus 10... 9...

Watch schmwatch. Give me the numbers in the box score baby. 10 sacks or he's trash.

 

you guys are right, mario's awesomely mediocre. great pick value

 

How did Amobi get that sack again? Just making a statement like this betrays that you don't know jack about how a defensive line works.

Only a fan who knows more about reading box scores than how the game is played on the field would think a player has to "justify his draft position" at all, much less using a number that depends on the rest of his team and can only be augmented realistically on 30% of the game. What about the other 70%? It's too hard for you, because there's no little number in the paper.

Keep trumpeting one game. Go for it. Over the whole of the season, he's played great.

 

Thanks. I knew you'd come around.

 

because he's a badass who's motor always runs. mario's not and that was the criticism out of college

but yeah, as usual you watch the games and you know more. just like you did about carr, oh wait.

again, congratulations, you actually took the effort to watch a football game. that's something you're apparently really proud of.

did they play well against the colts?

 

You are both partly right. But as usually happens, people who argue tend to polarize themselves. Yes Mario is playing much better than last year. But no, he is not a terror on the field. But yes, part of the reason for low sack numbers is the total lack of competency from the secondary.

 

exactly, i don't understand why anyone would take issue with the article. the defense played terribly last game. you're right, you get caught on one side, I don't hate mario, but he had one good game. he made some plays against carolina. he's been inconsistent at best.

 

i would think this is obvious, but DTs don't, ordinarily, sack the QB and certainly not at the pace okoye is currently on (16). do you honestly believe we plucked one of the all-time indiviually greatest rookie DTs of all-time? or do you think maybe - just maybe - he's getting sacks up the middle because guys on the edge... like, i'm randomly picking someone here - mario williams is flushing the QB from his drop and toward the space where the DTs are grinding up space?

and only a forum idiot would accuse us of making a claim none of us are making. i'd love for mario williams to register 10+ sacks. but i understand there's much, much more to his game than sacks and i won't let that be the ONLY means of evaluation.

care to weigh in AT ALL on how he defends the run? i notice you keep running back to sack #s and ignoring the REST of the game.

and that's why mario williams was benched during the game. oh, wait - sorry, that was demacus faggins.

btw, harrington's not going to the HoF, but his performance sunday wasn't even his best of the year; that came the week before when he went 31/44, 361, 2/0, 110.1.

what sorry-ass team with terrible DEs like mario williams gave up those number?... wait for it - this is good........ julius peppers and the carolina panthers.

 

Super Mario says, "Haters back the hell up."

 

Kubiak barely has them blitz. He admitted that they never even tried to blitz the Colts.

 

I'm not going to through this line by line stuff but I have to address this. did we not hear that mario was drafted specifically because peyton's in the division? last time I checked he's not an rb.

 

I never defended based on my watching the games but based on the reports I'd read from scouts and NFL execs. When I started watching him closely, he convinced me otherwise.

But I don't mean to act like some superior knowledge. I only mean to say that one can't use statistics alone to evaluate any sporting performance. They are extremely valuable (unlike what some who take this argument too far say), but they have to be used in context. If one never watches a game and rushes to judgment on a DE, for example, based upon say some sack numbers, that's just stupid.

Well, let's see: the Texans offense couldn't stay on the field, the Texans got sorely whipped in time of possession (if I remember correctly), yet the defense held the Colts to their second lowest points total of the season so far. So yeah, they played as well as can be expected against the Colts.

 

Based upon what? Ric and I have run example after example out here, and you've mentioned sack numbers. He's played great this season.

 

this running game argument is doubly hilarious. you criticize mario on the running game and then people point out that defensive ends don't make tackles. he blows up plays? the texans are sixteenth in rush defense.

 

based on what, your observations that he blew up two running plays. they've played four games. the only thing you and ric have proved is that you're arrogant homers who think your knowledge of the game is better than everyone else's.

 

Because defending the run is exclusively about who gets the tackle, right?

What side of the line do teams generally run against? (I honestly don't know this answer; a guy I went to high school with played DE and everywhere he lined up they always rushed the opposite side.)

 

Gotcha.

Of course, your calling others "homer" isn't arrogant at all, is it?

I don't know more about football than anyone here. But I can't for the life of me, after watching the Texans defense for four weeks this season, understand people piling on Mario.

All I'm asking for is for some actual, meaningful, intelligent analysis of what's happening on the field. Tell me about his footwork--could it be better? Has been blocking straight up and down too much and that keeps him from getting as much pressure on the QB as he could? Is he reading the rushing plays well as they develop, or is he late coming to the ball and that's ballooning yardage allowed on the ground? These are things I'd listen to, not ridiculous tripe like "he needs to get 10 sacks or he won't justify his draft position!!" If that makes me an "arrogant homer", then so be it. Please forgive me for wanting to hear actual analysis of actual DE play and not jumping on the box score bandwagon with you.