Chronic: Texans coaches deserve much blame; Carr being Carr

it's because our local paper is flooded with, by and large, lazy writers. i'm gonna make wild guesstimates here, but an offense runs... 60-70 plays a game, roughly. let's go 60. that's 960 plays over a 16-game season. and let's say mario is on on... 80% of those 960 plays.

so we're looking at - again, very roughly - 768 plays in which we can evaluate mario williams. and (again being generous) let's say half of those are passes. so that's 384 pass plays in a season.

and somehow, mario williams is being judged on the - in a good year - 12 times he sacks a QB? so the other 370+ PASS plays are just meaningless as are the 380+ running plays?

it's pure, unadultrated stupidity.

 

because they really got to joey harrington.

 

if mario williams doesn't get ten sacks its a failure. he's the first freaking pick in the draft.

 

I understand wanting the top draft pick to perform top flight, but I believe Ric's point is (if I understand correctly) is that you can't evaluate a DE on sacks alone--that's not half the game!

Even the mediots are saying good things about Mario, and they're the last to come around. He's been playing great. Not Hall of Fame great, but great nonetheless.

 

he needs to get sacks. period. peppers, jevon kerse, strahan, etc. post the sacks. he's the first pick in the entire draft.

 

Jevon Kearse hasn't had ten sacks in a season since 2001.

 

Your opinion is duly noted.

He's been playing great.

 

i haven't agreed with you much but I can't argue with you here. great players get sacks. players don't go to pro bowls b/c they're merely disruptive. the number one pick should at least be showing up in the stat sheets, somehow.

 

Michael Strahan had 1 sack in his first season and 4.5 sacks in his second.

 

what round did strahan get pick in? jevon kerse wasn't a number one pick, first round, but not number one.

but you're missing the point, mario williams has to be an elite defensive lineman to justify his pick. he has to be one starting this year, that includes sacks.

 

So it's OK to expect less of future hall of famers than a sophomore DE on a mediocre team, just because of draft selection order? I'm sorry, but I think that is stupid and naive position to take.

 

yes, its stupid to expect a number one draft pick to perform like a number one draft pick.

now the texans are mediocre again when it comes to defending mario williams. you're such a homer it isn't even funny.

i don't even understand your point. my only point is that great de make sacks. i don't give a crap what kearse and strahan is doing this year. their best is what mario is compared to.

 

Then don't mention their names if they aren't comparable to Williams.

I got the point. Your examples proved that the "elite defensive lineman" has not always started his career strong in sacks or had more than ten seconds per season for very long (Kearse had three in a row to start his career and never did it again, Lawrence Taylor did not get 10 or more sacks until his fourth year in the league).

 

Michael Strahan ... not Taylor.

 

jevon kearse was picked high, he made an immediate impact. strahan was a project. so he has leeway. peppers was picked high, he had an immediate impact.

now yes, those guys are hofers, at least strahan and maybe peppers. but less than ten sacks will not cut it. no matter who you compare him to. you can go back and nitpick the names i picked, it doesn't take away from the fact williams needs to produce sacks to justify his pick.

 

Pgab is 100% right on this issue.......

He is not a first round pick, he was the NUMBER ONE pick in the draft.....and right now, the first pick in the 2nd round of the same draft is a more valuable player.

DD

 

Strahan was not a project. He was drafted in the second round.

Mario Williams has more sacks than all three of them this season, so far. So whatever...

 

uh, strahan didn't even start a game his first year, so yes fair comparison.

 

I've never said they were anything but. I repeatedly predict 8 wins and say I hope for 9. 8 and 8 is the very definition of mediocre.

That's all you can do to defend your stupid take? Another ad hominem and an unsupported accusation of being disingenuous?

Ah: I get it now. You don't understand, so you'll just assume that I'm being a homer or disingenuous.

And my only point is that a great DE "do" a lot more than "make sacks", and that to ignore everything else and whine about sacks is stupid.

 

Uh... he got 4.5 sacks his second year (starting)... Uh... Uh.. Uh... He got 7.5 the next year, and 5 sacks the year after that. Uh... Uh... Uh...