Chronic: Texans coaches deserve much blame; Carr being Carr

ahhh.... so maybe reggie white and reggie white alone wasn't the reason green bay went to the SB... four years after they signed him?

of course you will - hell, he's out there all by himself.

the texans have NEVER had a formidiable pass rush. ever. sure, peyton's the target because he's the alpha dog in our division, but mario williams was drafted to improve the pass rush overall, and the #s suggest he's doing that.

when was he was supposed to make a stop? on the 6 third downs during the game in which atlanta needed to gain 6 or more yards? the DL played well; the secondary did not.

 

just to show you how valuable a defensive end can be, charles haley is the only player to have five super bowl rings. now obviously, charles haley isn't the only reason the cowboys and the fortyniners won, but i have heard several analyst say something about how the fortyniners would get up on teams and teams would have no chance because if they had to pass, charles haley shut them down. those fortyniner defense weren't that great individually, outside of haley and lott.

I'm not saying mario should be that good, because quite frankly he never will be. haley is probably one of the most underrated players in the history of football. i loved watching that dude play. only saying this, its an example of valuable an impact player at that position can be.

bringing up david carr again, david could have been great, had he had time to throw. do you know you could probably say that about any qb in this entire league. they can all make the throws, the key is getting pressure. and with passing totals so off the charts now a days, you almost have to have pressure to compete. the texans have invested in the d-line, three first round draft picks, one number one pick in the overall draft. that's where they have to make their impact on defense. i really don't care what the secondary does, because that's not where the investment is.

 

no the number suggest amobi, he's the one with the sacks, he's the newest member. also, travis johnson has played well, he didn't last season with mario, he has with amobi.

the money is in the dl, they didn't play well in the second half

 

yes, because obviously, i'm the only one who's said something wrong and should admit it.

 

Do you see the names that you are associating MW with?

 

The coaches also said, IIRC, that they weren't aggressive enough with the play calling. Can't exactly blame that on the line.

 

who should i associate him with? l hate when guys jump in a thread and don't know what they're talking about. the only reason i mentioned kearse, and white was because of a specific question. i answered the question and then you jump in and have a problem with the answer because you don't approve of the names i used.

i never said mario has to be a hall of famer (honestly, kearse isn't asking too much) but that's not the point. you come in the thread late and try to twist my words around.

edit: the question was name great de

i named them

and then you add your two cents about me naming someone he shouldn't be compared to

 

You're right. I haven't read any of the thread. I only read one post above and one post below where I post. Sorry. I must be the idiot because I don't think MW is horrible.

You have put forth the dumbest case against MW that I have ever seen and have flip flopped more than the politicians in the last presidential election. Everyone and everything is not relevant unless it fits your ridiculous case which has zero legs. I think that you are the only person that hasn't seen the improvement with not only MW but with our defense as a whole. There is no way you could have watched the last 4 games and not seen improvement. You are just trolling and we all know why.

 

that's all you needed to say, i never said you were an idiot for not thinking he's horrible. again, read the thread, msn claims he's played great. to total different ends of the spectrum. i have no idea why you think i'm trolling. i'm agreeing with an article in the houston chronicle, how is that trolling?

 

know how i know you're desperate? when you're on the absolute last leg of your last leg and you have to pull out arguably two of the greatest teams of all-time to try and make a point about a 22-year old second year player playing for a team that, if it reaches .500 at the end of the season, would set off a massive celebration. of course, be sure to make a point that you're ABSOLUTELY NOT comparing said 22-year old second year player to such and such standards... which begs the question: why are you bringing it up then? how is it relevant?

that's abundandtly clear. i'm guessing the coaches and players care, though. the opponents who are exploiting it every week do, too.

johnson missed 7 games last year; only started 8 - i wonder if that's why he didn't play well last year with mario?

 

way to take **** out of context, i said i don't expect mario to be haley, i see in your usual dishonesty, you didn't post that. and the whole point was the value of defensive ends, if you're going to ask what the point was, quote the whole post

 

now we're arguing about what names i bring up, and i'm desparate.

 

Charles Haley was integral member of two really great teams but hardly THE REASON for either of them being in position to win 5 rings, it's like saying Robert Horry is THE REASON his teams always seem to win. Your arguments are getting more and more out there, are you just saying how far you can take this at this point?

 

charles haley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>robert horry, one dude should be in his sports hof, the other is a role player. you have no idea what you're talking about. haley went to five pro bowls idiot and has over 100 sacks.

yeah, robert horry ROFLMAO

please stop posting

 

Interesting conversation that has broken out on a Carr thread.

Mario has played very average IMO, and I don't think he'll ever be a dominate pass rusher. He looks like he'll be a quality lineman though, and perhaps make a couple of pro bowls.

All I know is that I would take him over Reggie Bush right now, and I would take Schaub over Vince as well. So the pick looks good in my eyes.

 

then why bring him up? should i drop joe montana and the bill walsh 49ers whenever you try and trump vince young's greatness? not because i expect him to be joe montana, of course...

it's a disingenious distraction. we could probably name 15-20 guys from those two teams that prove "value" at a certain position; they are among the two greatest teams in nfl history and have sent or will send several guys to the hall of fame.

if anything, charles haley is yet ANOTHER DE who put up big numbers on great teams. so, yeah - what was your point again?

 

because he's a great de, whom you asked for. again, quote the entire post.

 

how far down the line do we have to get before the names are acceptable to compare to mario.

 

btw, you guys need to get your stories straight, one guy's arguing haley is horry, the other arguing he's too tough to compare to mario and shouldn't even be brought up.

 

just to show you how valuable a power forward can be, robert horry is the only player to have five super bowl rings. now obviously, robert horry isn't the only reason the spurs, lakers and the rockets won, but i have pulled this part out of my ass how the rockets would get up on teams and teams would have no chance because double team, robert horry shut them down. those rockets teams weren't that great individually, outside of horry and hakeem.

I'm not saying mario should be that good, because i will pull some more garbage out my ass. horry is probably one of the most underrated players in the history of basketball. i loved watching that dude play. only saying this, its an example of valuable an impact player at that position can be.