Chronic: Texans coaches deserve much blame; Carr being Carr

i'm not going to argue about every ******* defense in history with everyone on this board. I don't care, not relevant. but i will say this, do you know that tenn was actually the top ranked defense that year.

 

So it's not relevant unless you want to talk about it. Gotcha.

 

no its irrelevant, because i never said you have to have a great defensive end. I said mario has to get sacks. i said a great defensive can make a great defensive team. obviously baltimore had other playmakers in other areas.

lastly, i've responded to plenty of posts on this topic, i can't respond to everyone just when someone throws out a defense that has nothing to do with the argument. the argument is "is mario playing well", "what constitutes playing well" and does he need help from others to play well.

baltimore has nothing to do with that.

now you got it.

 

I've listed hurries, pressures, running plays, sacks that others got when the QB was running from Mario--I've listed all of those. Nice try, though.

Not well.

No, I asked you to support your argument whatsoever. You brought it up--support it. You dropped their names. If you're going to bring something up, support it. And don't pitch a sissy fit and call people "idiot" if you can't.

When did I say he doesn't need to play well? He is playing well. I said he doesn't need to "justify his draft position". And, he doesn't. Believing that is what's dumb. Very, very dumb.

And there it is again. The only reason someone could possibly believe that Mario Williams is playing well is if his judgement is clouded by his affinity for his home team. Do you not see how full of crap and arrogant that is?

Stop saying crap like that. It's rude and uncalled for. And nasty. I'm sorry you're offended that I called your stupid argument stupid, but no one here is accusing you of sodomy. I'm also sorry that your take is freaking WEAK that all you have left is to call people "idiot", "homer", and accuse people of sucking on penises. After that display, why don't you now come back and lecture me on "class" some more, pgabriel?

 

OK, then neither do Green Bay and Tennessee. You can't have it both ways.

 

we're talking about great defensive ends on great defenses, baltimore didn't have a great denfensive end, that has nothing to do with the argument.

 

how can you keep track of all the different tangents you have throw out just to stay afloat? you tried to disingeniously portray jevon kearse as being the catalyst that vaulted tennessee into the super bowl; that was my only point.

they ranked 26th that year against the pass, giving up 4,000 yards. if anything, it proves that DEs can't have the kind of impact you're expecting from mario williams (ie "a great end will improve your defense tremendously.")

great players can post great seasons on bad teams; happens every year. but by and large, individual success is a manifestation of team success.

 

the sacks of others are opinions. the fact is the texans defense didn't play well agains indy (again for the umpteenth time on the point you don't respond to) the team and qb the texans say they drafted mario to play well against. and they were drove by a winless falcons team, never getting any key stops. but i know he tackled a rb in the backfield.

better than you.

no, your argument is that mario needs help. my point was that reggie white and kerse helped otherwise mediocre defenses. then you aske me who's on those defense, you should have to prove who on those defenses were great. go ahead, we're still waiting.

so you think that nfl teams don't expect value out of different positions. mario gets paid like a number one draft pick, he eats up salary cap, he has to justify his pick. your take that he doesn't is idioic at best, and blind homerism at worst. the texans could have gotten other players or other picks to help this team more.

no, only someone believing he doesn't have to play better to justify pick and therefore salary

if you can't take the heat, get out his jock strap

 

But you said, "great defensive ends make great defenses." The first example that comes along of a great defense without a great defensive end, and you're screaming "irrelevant".

 

jevon kearse gets drafted, they go to the superbowl, that's all I wrote. you're the one who says mario needs a great defense to get sacks. you killed your argument, get over it. its over.

 

i never said a great defense has to have a great end.

 

"Class".

You don't need me around to prove how stupid your argument is. You've been ignoring competent facts from myself and others for two days, and this is all you have left.

Enjoy. And be sure to come back and lecture me on "class" sometime in the future.

 

I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

 

i could have sworn this thread was about the Texans' coaches and Carr.

 

what you're doing, pgabriel, is latching on to the few shreds where you kind of, sort of haven't had your **** hammered. kearse had a big rookie year; the defense around him, based on the #s, was subpar. it does demonstrate players on mediocre or worse defenses can get after the QB successfully - i don't think any of us have argued it's not possible. but it also disproves your contention that great DEs make great defenses. he had 14.5 sacks... and they gave up 4,000 yards passing.

you've also conveniently, i notice, backed away from reggie white - where did he go after i pointed out the packers made the super bowl four years after they signed him? no, no - let's focus on jevon kearse, right? the one sling against the wall that actually had some stickiness to it...

btw, i've asked this repeatedly: the DL is on pace to nearly double their sack total from a year ago - is it your contention mario williams is not impacting that at all?

not the atlanta game, it wasn't. mario williams was directly responsible; clear as day to anyone who actually watched the game, a group you're not a member of.

what do you want us to say? it's ****ing peyton manning - he makes 14 other defenses a year look just as bad.

and for the record, i thought the DL played OK. again, they're rushing four against 5 or 6 blockers. this team can't afford to blitz.

so, had mario gotten more sacks, they would have won? harrington completed 80% of his passes; faggins was called for 4 interference penalties... and you want to blame that on mario williams?

 

what is the point of going back and forth on that, reggie white played with some other pro bowlers. you haven't proven anything.

well, since amobi is getting the sacks, i'll attribute that improvement to amobi.

that's what the texans said they drafted him for, it hasn't worked out that way, therefore he's not living up to their expectations.

bottom line, the texans are HEAVILY invested in their defense. If they don't make the playoffs, this will be a game they circle. and they have themselves admitted they didn't play well, including mario, letting atl get key conversions. never made a stop, that's what impactful players do

 

It's pretty much pgab vs all of us, why are we still trying to conVince him, all of it is obviously lost on him anyway?

 

okay, i was wrong about reggie white. still that's one example.

 

To be fair, I've seen three people express that opinion in this thread.

 

Thank you, it's about damn time. Geez.