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(CHRONIC) Point guard wishes Rockets would extend contract to match his growing value

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LpBryan03, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. ASidd_1990

    ASidd_1990 Rookie

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    Bull****! Hinrich aint no Matt Maloney! Just because he's white point guard doesn't mean crap. You're just being plain ignorant.

    Look at the playoffs, Hinrich has stepped up huge and was pivotal in some of the wins against the Celtics in that epic 08-09 playoffs. Plus, he's not a defensive liability like Brooks and has a good three point precentage which is helpful with Yao in the post.

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  2. roslolian

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    If you think Brooks is a matchup nightmare against other teams why the hell are you and Leeb arguing?

    Aren't you saying the same thing? :confused:
     
  3. roslolian

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    Hinrich is the most overrated player on this board. He's a career backup and definitely not worth the 9M he's making. Not only that, he's also injury prone. I'll take Brooks at 10M a year over Hinrich at 9 any day of the year.
     
  4. xiki

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    I was supporting and augmenting: This is when sports geeks and their stats fail. Yes there are more efficient shooters on the team statistically, but what your stats don't show is that Brooks was the playmaker on the team with no post presence. So often players like Martin, Scola & Battier are beneficiaries of plays players like Aaron Brooks intially created. Now anybody who's played or watched basketball knows this, but most state geeks don't factor this in plus minus stats.

    How quickly people forget who the best player was in that series against the Lakers


    That's all.
     
  5. bj3175

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    Bottom Line AB needs to wait his time. He will be taken care of , especially since this year he has an opportunity to show how far he can push the rox with the exceptional lineup they have. His points should drop a little but he needs to be 8 to 10 assists a game to leverage a 9 to 10 mil contract a year. If he can just concentrate on dribble penetration and distribution of the ball he will be very wealthy
     
  6. mfastx

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    He'll get his money. Brooks just needs to go out and play; let his game do the talking.

    Damn... sounded like Tmac talking to the media like that. :mad:
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    It's pretty simple: Morey and the Rockets will take care of Brooks as long as Brooks takes care of the Rockets in this upcoming season with each side doing it within reason (i.e. not overpaying on the Rockets behalf and not overchucking on Brooks' behalf).
     
  8. bullardfan

    bullardfan なんでやねん

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    fixed for "that's what she said"
     
  9. TXRoxBBall

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    He needs to shut his mouth and play ball. The Rox used the exact same approach with Lowry, Scola, and Landry. They all got their money and he will to.
     
  10. herro

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    Morey doesn't make decisions based upon how far in Brooks' head Leon Rose gets.
     
  11. rock4ever

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    You cant dissect the truth.

    FACT: Aaron Brooks was our best player against the Lakers (because of speed). And is our only chance at beating them

    FACT:Aaron is our best creator off the dribble and can break his defender down better than anybody on the Rockets. Something we need in our guard. Last conventional point guard we had was Rafer (And we got rid of his ass for a reason)

    FACT:Brooks offense was the ONLY thing that saved us from the many offensive droughts we had last year. Without him, the team will suffer from a playmaking prespective.

    FACT:
    There were games where Brooks outplayed some of the best point guards last year (Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups etc...)

    FACT:: Theres no way no freakin Kirk Hinrich will dominate the Lakers like Brooks has. You guys are the most delusional idiotic fans for even suggesting Hinrich be Brooks replacement. Hinrich is nowhere the offensive threat and doesnt have NEAR the upside Brooks has in the future.

    You wont realize how important Brooks is until we play Dallas and get KILLED by the 8 different offensive weapons they have. The Rockets need firepower. The teams that have the most talent pay MONEY to keep they're talent. ***** all this low ball stuff Morey is doing. HE'S THE FREAKIN MOST IMPROVED PLAYER!!! PAY THE MAN!!!
     
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  12. B

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    Nobody should be denying Brooks value to the team and his performance last year. He is a tremendous asset, and probably will be for years to come if he doesn't get traded.

    How is the team low balling him when he isn't a free agent yet? AB will get his payday when his contract is up. Rockets aren't extending anyone, and are offering their free agents very reasonable contracts when they become free agents (Scola and Lowry benefited greatly this summer). If Brooks has another great year he should be able to triple his current salary.
     
  13. LpBryan03

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    Just throwing this out there (and putting on the flame suit), players tend to be worried about their health too when it comes to all of these things. Maybe something we haven't considered? Odds are, if he gets hurt this season (let's say ACL tear), then he won't nearly get what he would get now. I can see this point from him, but this looks more like whining than wanting to be treated like everyone else. If he's trying to secure his well being (which he could still do on 2MM this year alone) then he went the wrong way about stating it.
     
  14. dartherus

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    What part of AFTER BROOKS BEING TRADED you fail to understand?
    It wasn't a direct Brooks-Hinrich Trade, it was a Brooks-Igoudala trade (plus the adeauqte sweeteners and fillers)....
    And after Brooks departing, Hinrich is the most likely good PG available...
    He has pretty decent court vision, his assists lowered because of playing SG at Chicago, not because lack of court vision, he has also pretty good shooting and pretty good D...so what's the problem with him?

    Again, it's not Brooks vs Hinrich, it's Brooks+Battier vs Hinrich+Igoudala....why is that so difficult to understand? why this consideration should only go to random trade ideas? when these trades involve Brooks and are quite possible, if you consider that you have plenty of assets and picks available to make such trades happen?

    Please THINK, use your brain, don't answer just in an emotional way in your love for Brooks...
     
  15. leebigez

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    Dartheus, Dont take this personal, but this was about contract or lack of one for brooks, not your trade idea. Not to mention, your trade made no sense to the people involved. Doesnt it look like the wizards are just going to go young with age for the most part? I mean, thornton iss the sf,blatche,mcgee are the other frontline players. Kirk is the backup guard,but he's not worth the 9m to come off the bench. They have to keep gilbert because of his salary and he's pretty good when healthy. In the philly scenerio, iggy might get dumped, but i highly doubt brooks is their target because they have similar player in holiday and williams already there. Taking back hayes and jeffries makes it worse because they have reggie evans,speights,brand also on the frontline.
     
  16. BimaThug

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    Jonathan, DUDE! You disappoint me with your lack of knowledge!

    First of all, Chase and Jermaine are NOT on first round rookie scale salary contracts. The Rockets signed each of those two to identical four-year contracts using a portion of the MLE last summer. The deals are guaranteed for two years, and the third year is non-guaranteed as long as the Rockets waive them prior to August 1, 2011. The same thing holds true for the fourth year (if waived prior to August 1, 2012). So, there is no option to pick up right now on those two.

    Second, the only guys on the Rockets currently in first round rookie scale salary contracts who have options that must be picked up this October are Courtney Lee (well, he got ONE of them right!) and Jordan Hill. Funny how he didn't even mention Hill. For as much "bust" talk as there has been surrounding Hill, I cannot imagine that the Rockets wouldn't exercise the option to pay Jordan ~$2.85M in 2011-12.

    Do your homework, Jonathan!!!
     
  17. TheFreak

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    Did you actually check those numbers before asserting that Brooks wasn't an efficient scorer? You said he doesn't score efficiently, yet his TS% was the same as Scola's last year. Does Scola also not score efficiently? Before Martin came to the Rockets, his TS% was lower than Brooks'. This is with Brooks playing a lot of his minutes with such offensive threats as Hayes, Battier, and Ariza also on the court. Nobody knows how efficient Yao will be this year, but he'll only be playing 24 minutes max and no back-to-backs anyway. I would hope Brooks does take more shots than Yao next year.
     
  18. dartherus

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    I was explaining the trade scenarios (wether they're likely or unlikley to happen it's an entirely different discussion) to the ones feeling extremedly offended by the supposed Brooks bashing....different discussion? SURE, but where forced to be broguth due to the reactions of Brooks supporters

    Explaining that Brooks is tradeable is not hating him, that's what some people fail to understand....

    The trades themselves? as said, do you deny that there are pretty enough sweeteners (trade exeption, young players, draft picks) to make them happen? You even Admitted Igoudala trade could work...and Hinrich, why not? if a draft pick or Jordan Hill is offered in the pack? money-wise perhaps not the best for rockets, but if it works, the Rockets final roster could be a REAL TITLE CONTENDER....or deny that this roster would contend:

    PG: Hinrich, Lowry
    SG: Martin, Lee
    SF: Igoudala, Budinger
    PF: Scola, Patterson
    C: Yao, Miller, 3rd C (Dampier)
     
  19. leebigez

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    You cant trade a trade exception with a package of players and the sweetners aren't enough to me. Hinrich is not a starting pg in this league anymore. If he was, someone would have traded for him so he could become one. I didn't admit the iggy deal would work because they have alot of the same kinda players you're trying to trade them.
     
  20. dartherus

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    again, that's a different disicussion, I only explained why the trades were brought to this thread....and the impossibily of the trades is just a personal opinion of you....Brooks+expiring+sweeteners are enough asset to get Iggy, even if they're redundant, they could trade other redundant players later, Sixers are not contending anyway.....the Hinrich trade is even easier to make it happen, if you throw in Hill or a pick (even 2nd round imo)...
     

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