[CHRONIC] Of Brooks, Bosh and (again) the Rockets season that was

It's not going to be easy. All those saying that Morey has all the leverage...no.

There are other teams, Bosh would give a list of what teams he wouldn't mind playing for. If it is a long list...good luck lol because then Toronto has all the leverage...but lets just say it's like this.

Dallas
Houston
OKC
Miami
Golden State

They all (except for Dallas really) have big time prospects to offer up to Toronto, it'll come down to who they want in the end.

 

While I tend to agree that the odds of the Rockets moving up are less than 50/50, how can you say that Morey WILL fail? The Rockets have NEVER had more draft pick assets and young players than they have right now. If Morey was ever to have the ammunition to move up, it would be this year. In prior years, the Rockets simply had nothing (other than cash) that teams ahead of them wanted. Not the case anymore.

(Btw, if the Rockets do nothing with their assets this summer in trades, the 2011 Draft will be VERY interesting.)

 

It doesnt work like that.

 

Okay.

If Bosh gives them a list of teams he'd like to play for, then Toronto will will field offers from those teams.

You really think the Raptors are only going to deal with us and only us? You think Bosh only wants to go to Houston and nowhere else?

 

how big do you think that list will be, It could be 1 team... Also, if they are rebuilding than those New York picks could be really attractive to them.

 

I think we are being REALLY optimistic if we think it will be one or two teams. Also if it is even two teams, whose to say the other team isn't OKC? Or the Warriors? We have no idea where Bosh really wants to go.

The New York picks could be attractive...but compared to what? Thats all i'm bringing up.

Compared to a Beasley? A James Harden? A Randolph or Ellis?

 

Yes it "could" be. And we "could" win the draft lottery and draft John Wall, then we "could" sign Lebron to a MLE. At that point, we "could" indeed be the only team on that list.

 

It is true that Bosh may not want to go to the Lakers.

But I think people here generally underrate Bynum's value. A lot of teams covet him, an athletic 7fter who has some offensive talent. And the alleged laziness issue may just be a myth because of his lay back appearance. IIRC, the Lakers did offer Bynum for Bosh last year, or was it the other way around?

 

I don't really see Bynum part of much discussion around here, so I'm not sure how he's perceived. Personally, I do feel he's probably more valuable than our collective of goods. I just don't believe Bynum would play hard in Toronto due to their unique situation. Whereas players like Budinger, Hill, and any 1st round picks will.

 

Usually SnT's don't involve big name players coming back in the other direction. It's basically so that the team the guy is coming from can get something back versus nothing.

Toronto doesn't have a whole lot of leverage. We will have to part with guys who have attractive salary cap considerations and with draft picks.

 

Slightly off tangent, but I think Morey is either going to use assets to move up in the draft or use them in a sign-and-trade for a top free agent, but not both. Doing both would probably require getting rid of most of our role players and the NY pick, which I don't think Morey wishes to do. And besides, a top free agent won't want to join a team that's gutted its supporting cast to acquire himself and a rookie.

Barring a draft-day deal that's too good to pass up, I think Morey will opt to use his assets on a top FA instead of moving up a few spots in the draft.

I think Jaygoogle's right. Both Bosh and Toronto probably have a list of teams that includes more than just Houston.

 

Guys, just look back and recent Rocket's history.

Tmac forced his way to Houston.

Bosh has all the power....ALL OF IT.....

He gets to choose where he plays..

DD

 

Every single team in the NBA, Euro League, China, and NCAA think Bosh is coming to them. Bosh will tell all where he's heading when he's ready to say where he'll play for pay.

Here is my 9-figure query: Can Yao + Scola + Bosh (and their combined monetary commitment to Rox, if all are at Toy Shop 11/1/10 of @one gazillion dollars American) finish out games - successfully - together?

 

The T-Mac situation was a little different. T-Mac still had one year left on his deal, and he was threatening to make that entire year difficult for management if they didn't trade him. With the Magic set to take Dwight Howard #1 overall in the draft, the Magic didn't want Tracy's toxic attitude corrupting their young star and future of the franchise.

With Bosh, he's already (presumably) a free agent. If the worst that happens is that he walks away and the Raptors clear his salary and open cap room, it's not the end of the world. There are worse things that could happen. At least management would not be forced to deal with a year of hell in the locker room from a disgruntled star.

That said, agreed that Bosh has a TON of power here. He'll dictate his terms, to be certain. But Bryan Colangelo will have some leeway as far as what he's willing to agree to and what he'll demand in return for Bosh. Not a huge amount, but certainly more than many people here think.

 

Yes Bosh has all the power here, i'm not disagreeing there.

But if he just gives a list, and leave it at that...EVEN if it is a short list, whose to say those other teams are not teams that can offer a better deal?

I just disagree with the thing that Morey has all the leverage here, not if there are other teams involved which is highly likely. Only if Bosh ONLY wants to play here...thats the only way I see Morey can lowball the offer and steal Bosh away.

And that's considering if the Raptors don't mind having the cap relief he can provide by becoming a FA.

 

Trust me the list will be big.

 

I am starting to weigh the cost of acquiring Bosh against what it would cost to move up to get Cousins or Favors (if we are wanting a big).

What do you guys think it would take to move up to get a top 5 pick?

Probably our 14, 2012 first rounder, and an asset?

 

Thats what I want to know, it's more likely for Morey to win big time by moving up then a SnT with Toronto...because now we are dealing with teams battling their own stupidity.

 

Should he practice passing by himself in the gym? Amazing.

 

Teams picking in the top 5 typically don't want to trade their pick unless it's for an established star (see Celtics trade of #5 pick for Ray Allen). These teams are fairly pathetic and are looking for a franchise savior. Trading a potentially great player for a handful of pretty good players is not usually an approach that these teams want to take.

If the Rockets trade up, it would more likely be to somewhere in the 8 to 12 range.