[CHRONIC] Mavericks to get Butler, Rockets to keep searching

well, you read this since you told me im on ignore,

CD = drexler,pippen,francis,tmac,yao(drafted but everyone said jay williams), 5 bad deals =mo taylor,cato,maloney,moochie,glen rice

morey= landry,brooks,scola, 1 bad deal = ariza

extremes= CD good with the bad, if you want average players on average salary = Morey

 

Iggy+Yao+Dalembert WOULD make us contenders...

 

I totally agree. There's no reason to trade away the young talent we have for someone to come and play for us for a few months and then bolt. It would be great to trade TMac for someone of value, but it would be stupid to make a move just for the sake of making a move.

DM has done a fine job so far in the sort time that he's been here, and we're no longer tied up with bunch of overpaid, long term contracts that will handcuff any moves we would make in the future.

I don't think anyone expected us to make the playoffs when the season began, so the fact that we are playing as well as we have (with the exception of the past few weeks) is a testament to the job Morey and Sleepy have done. When Yao comes back, I think we'll be in good position for next year, and you know that Morey is going to do something that adds to this team in the off-season.

 

Yes, they could. Such a trade would fall within the category of "trades to add salary". Of course, unless the $8M in cap room was AFTER counting Scola's and Lowry's cap holds, you would have to renounce their rights and lose them. Also, you still wouldn't be able to exceed the salary cap.

 

Quick question, when calculating if a team gets an MLE or not, are cap holds included to the team's salary before they add all of the exceptions? I.E The Rockets will have about ~44 million (assuming they pick up options on Dorsey and Hayes). Does the league add the ~5.7 MLE to the salary without cap holds of Scola and Lowry or including the cap holds?

 

Yes, cap holds are included.

Every team has their total team salary added up, including cap holds, draft rights to first round picks playing overseas (during the offseason only), and all salary cap exceptions. Then, the team has the option of (a) keeping its players' rights and the cap exceptions or (b) renouncing the salary cap exceptions and some/all of its players' rights in favor of some/all of its available cap room.

So, if a team has total team salary (including cap holds but excluding salary cap exceptions) equal to $2M below the salary cap, the team can just opt to keep its salary cap exceptions (MLE and LLE) in lieu of using its $2M in cap room.

Hope this explains it for you.

 

Thanks, that cleared it up for me.

 

So far, Morey has made one mistake, getting Artest.
I don't consider Ariza a mistake - as poorly as he is doing now, he is still doing better than Artest could/did ... within this system anyway.

In Morey we trust - after all, he is the stats guy.

 

Someone explain to me why Josh Howard as a piece going to the Wizards is any better than T-Mac. Both players are essentially expiring contracts that the Wizards are not going to want to retain. Even if they did want to retain either player, they could probably be resigned for similar money/years over the summer as they are both about the same age and are both always injured. The Mavs aren't going to have to give up "young talent" to get Butler + Haywood. Maybe we are balking at them including Stevenson in the deal instead of an expiring contract, but Stevenson also expires in 2011. It doesn't seem like that would be that much of a hindrance to our cap situation (could even prove useful at next years' deadline).

Seriously how does the Mavs deal trump ours? Just because the Mavs have only one player (Beaubois) who qualifies as "young talent" and we have several, why does that mean that the Wizards think we are screwing them over when the Mavs are getting away with giving them essentially the same deal...

 

Josh can still play,Tracy can't,but the main reason is the unwillingness to include Landry,Lowry,Aaron IMO. I don't think the Wizards would be as interested in Luis or Shane,or C-Bud. Ariza is unmovable for now.

 

Its what i've told people over and over again about Dallas having the trump card over the rockets in any trade scenerio. Why? They have the contracts and a deal maker, plus the owner without strings. If the rockets and the mavs are going after the same players, i think the mavs would win-out. They have 2 10m contracts and another 4.5m contract. Those smaller deals don't gut your roster.

 

What makes you think that they want to keep Josh Howard beyond this year? He is pure cap relief. Also, the Mavs aren't including anything good. Gooden is trash. Why do we need to include borderline all-stars and the Mavs get away with including journeyman bench fodder and a often-injured pothead?

 

I don't think they will keep him, but there is an outside chance that he may be able to revive himself. With Tracy,that's less likely. Leebigez has made some great points in his post.

 

sure would, but the sixers arent interested unless we add one of our main pieces.

 

most realistic trade I can think of...

 

and least appealing

I'm dry heaving over here

 

That's kind of cool if you can somehow swindle Washington into believing that they actually want Hinrich for 3 years.

 

well I think the Wiz would think about it... they have starting caliber PGs on the team... also Hinrich's contract is decreasing every year

 

agreed.

i think you have to take some gambles if you want to win a championship. to use your analogy, yes, you got to swing sometimes... but you also have to know WHEN to swing. sometimes you got to let the pitch go by.

morey may be a to conservative / cautious at the plate, but you can't complain about the batting average.

 

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well I think the Wiz would think about it... they have no starting caliber PGs on the team... also Hinrich's contract is decreasing every year