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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

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    Nope, both T-Mac and Yao need the ball way too much to be effective playing with each other. Artest can just set his feet and catch and shoot from the three point line.

    A good chunk of the reason the T-Mac/Yao duo has never been successful is that they're just a bad fit for one another. Again, that's part of the reason why I think T-Mac may not be a Rocket next season.
     
  2. t_mac1

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    that was during tracy's ins and outs and we didn't have the rhythm and chemistry. tracy handled that really poorly.

    durvasa brought up some stats that our first 15 games this year defensively was GREAT! that's when tracy played in every game and kept his freakin' mouth shut.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    tell that to morey who thinks tmac and yao are a bad fit for one another.

    if tracy was healthy this year (or hell if he returns healthy next yr and he shows he still has game left), i guarantee you morey will choose tmac over artest.

    but he'll probably be traded this offseason so no chance of that choice having to be made.
     
  4. badgerfan

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    What the OP wanted was McGrady to back down his defender and then turn and shoot over him instead of trying to drive around him.

    The basic issue is that McGrady's been a jump shooter for the last few years, and not a particularly accurate one.
     
  5. badgerfan

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    It's not about individual talent. If Yao + Artest > Yao + T-Mac, then good bye T-Mac. Even a healthy T-Mac.
     
  6. manhore

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    People should look at Detroit as a great example of addition by subtraction. The Pistons have been on FIRE since Iverson went down and I would say that 70%-80% of general B-Ball fans (not Rox) would take Iverson over McGrady any given day.

    So all the TMac apologists, if Iverson (sure HOF) can be a scapegoat for the Pistons as being a "ball stopper" don't be offended if people use McGrady (fringe HOF) as a scapegoat also.

    Hell I'd take Detroit's cancer for our cancer RIGHT NOW. At least we know Iverson won't half-ass it EVER. Iverson is a warrior like Artest is when he's on the court. And who better can Brooks learn from but from the best 6'0 ft and under player to ever play the game.
     
  7. RocketSolid

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    Under any, i mean ANY circumstances, Artest has a healthier heart than Mc-lady. Oh, sorry, if he had surgically implanted one.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    um.. he was referring to the jazz series, and tmac did that quite often v. dfish. he made those shots at home. couldn't make those on the road.

    in the 2 series v. the jazz, he averaged 8.1 ft attempts in 06-07, and 8.8 ft attempts in 07-08.

    sure we'd love for him to take 11-12 ft attempts, but i think 8-9 suffices wouldn't you say?
     
  9. RocketSolid

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    It would be a shame to even put T-crap in a HOF conversation.

    last time I checked, HOFers all have a heart!
     
  10. t_mac1

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    read what morey has said about tmac and yao healthy playing together over the past few years.

    he hasn't said anything about artest + yao. BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN. it's more scola + yao this year.
     
  11. TMac4Life#1

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    Are you really serious???? A healthy McGrady with Yao proved to be a dangerous combination over the years. It just so happened that there was really no one else around them to help them out. McGrady, Yao , and who else? No one. Bob Sura? maybe. David Wesley? No. Was to old. Reece Gaines? haha did he even play.

    Now that we have a new system and new coach guys are saying McGrady and Yao don't fit haha. You have DD saying McGrady and Artest don't fit together. hahaha how do guys know what works or not. This is their 1st time playing together. It's gonna take time. Just like its taking time for the players to learn RA system it will take time for McGrady, Artest, and Yao to learn how to play together.
     
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    Really? Are you talking about this season? or past seasons? Just wondering because in the past few seasons....those 50 wins years in the strong western conference seems like they were fine to me. If you were refering to this season....could it have been that big KNEE issue Tracy was having that might had something to do with them being a 'bad" fit? mmmm
     
  13. Shahraj

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    A healthy, Magic's T-Mac is wayyy better than Artest. But for the past season and this season it definitely has to be Artest. His health and ability to score when the Rockets need him too has been more valuable than T-Mac's jackups and tendency to never drive to the basket. Let's hope Artest can keep this up for the rest of the season and into the playoffs!
     
  14. badgerfan

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    What the hell do free throw attempts have to do with backing down Fisher?
     
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    He did not play defense in the playoffs last year. You sound ridiculous here.
     
  16. badgerfan

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    Bottom line: T-Mac and Yao both need the ball in their hands to be effective. Artest is much, much better than T-Mac at simply catching the ball and shooting. That's why Artest is better than T-Mac at playing with Yao and better than T-Mac at playing in Adelman's system.

    You can say that Yao + T-Mac is good. Fine, but they were never good enough to get past the first round. Yao + T-Mac may be good, they were both too talented not to be good, but Yao + Artest is better.
     
  17. t_mac1

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    read my post. he DID back down fisher. he took a lot of those fadeaway shots when he backed up fisher. made those at home. couldn't make those on the road. for some reason that series, tmac played ridiculously great at home. and really average on the road.

    and he also got to the line (most fans preferred it to be more ala 11-12 rather than 8-9).
     
  18. badgerfan

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    Yeah, "fine", if you don't mind losing in the first round of the playoffs every year.

    T-Mac's knee has got nothing to do with it. He needs the ball to be effective, and unfortunately so does Yao.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    yao and artest aren't even a 1-2 punch. it's a slap to scola really.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    we allowed 90.5 points per game last yr to utah in the playoffs. tracy played the most minutes out of anyone. and he switched off to guys whenever they were hot.

    so if that's ZERO defense to ya, fine.
     

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