That is if they only played on ONE END OF THE COURT Most stuff peopel talk about with TMAC is OFFENSE OFFENSE OFFENSE none of the TMacians like to talk about his lackadaisical Defense Perfect on HALF OF THE GAME and 50% on the other half is not as good as 90% on BOTH HALFS OF THE GAME Rocket River
aaahhh the standard THROW THE TEAMMATES UNDER THE BUS TMAC DEFENSE It is as predictable as TMac's in game defense Rocket River
Artest has really impressed me with how he's tried to adjust his play of late to fit in with the offense. For example, during stoppages of play in the Grizzlies game, he was taken aside by Yao and I believe Scola and Battier, and they seemed to be explaining the offensive set to Ron. And it was clear Artest was intently listening, trying to figure things out. At the same time, you know when the game is on the line, he'd love to take the final shot.
Funny because I haven't heard one complaint about his defense before this season when ironically....wait for it.... ...wait for it he's been injured. unfortunately i don't have the time nor the energy to respond to the rest of the reactionary, revisionist idiocy being spewed in this thread. it's become downright laughable at this point, but what else would one expect a mere 9 hours after a big victory except plaudits for the new guy by way of an embarrassing comparison with the ex-girlfriend.
Has his defense been on par with Artest's Hell . . I know I have not liked his h*lf *ssed Defense Rocket River
Of course not. Ron Artest has been called the best individual defender in basketball. Not meeting that extreme standard isn't proof of "lackadaisical" defense however, which was your original argument.
22-8 this year without Tmac.......that is a 60 win pace. I think it pretty much answers the question. Ron is not a better player than Tmac (at least offensively), but Ron is a better fit for Yao Ming. The truth just stings sometimes. I hope Tracy gets well.....would be interesting to see what happens if he is healthy next season. Actually the defense thing is intersesting....if you give a score of 1-10 for offense and defense I would rate a healthy Tmac versus Ron thusly. TMac Off - 9 Def - 5 --------------- Score = 14 Ron Off - 7 Def - 9 ------------- Score = 16 So to me Ron may in fact be the better overall player. DD
How? What proof do you have that the pace wouldn't be greater or comparable with a healthy McGrady in the place of Artest? The Rockets' record has been stellar in previous years with both Yao and McGrady healthy, the numbers don't lie, and one would certainly expect that to hold up with the improved roster. Your arbitrary designation of a 9 rating for Ron Artest's defense is pretty amusing in light of your comments berating his lack of defense in my Ron Artest thread.
I must say that is a new and inventive way to form the obligatory . . THROW HIS TEAMMATES UNDER THE BUS Argument Rocket River
Dude, are you seriously claiming that our supporting cast isn't better this year than it has been at any point in the previous 5 years?
Different team with Ron, but I concede it might be different with a healthy Tmac....in that case I would have been for trading Ron. That number would clearly be based upon post Tmac Ron.....Ron and Tmac didn't fit...never did....never will.....and it was having an effect on both of their games. I just think the TEAM ball style that Ron plays (sans Chicago) is better than the Me-ball play style that Tmac plays. And that doesn't mean Tmac is selfish it just means that he dominates the ball and decisions, and thus teams know this and let him do it for 3 quarters than clamp down in the 4th...and ultimatly it leads to failure. Whereas Ron plays within the system a lot more frequently and plays could come from anywhere. The only time Tmac ever came close to this IMHO, was the 2004-5 season with Barry, Wesley and company.....since that time, not so much. Cabbage, what would your ratings for both be? Offense and defense. DD
You are asking for people to take a different look beyond the statistics, and delve into chemistry, leadership, etc....and I would guess most have no experience in team building, thus no concept of it. Yet it is arguably the most important element. I think Morey has done a great job of getting rid of the JVG guys, and getting more guys in here that can work it out under Adelman. I was a little dissappointed in Morey in his chemistry work earlier, but now, I see where he was going, and adding Lowry and jettising Rafer was brilliant....in one fell swoop he changed the locker room..... Getting Tmac and Rafer out of the way, allowed Yao and Artest to step up.....this is a HUGELY underated situation.....and the key to the turnaround. DD
Thats funny. Right in the middle of the season you were the one saying we should keep T-Mac and were advocating we trade Ron because he doesn't fit. Ron Artest for Corey Maggete as I remember it. Good job on creating your own stats to buff your argument by the way.When you create your own stats you always look right.
What is funny is people who do not understand the difference in saying Ron and Tmac don't fit, so you need to trade Ron if you are not going to resign him, so you don't lose an asset for nothing. Versus - Tmac not being part of the equation anymore thus taking a completely different look at a DIFFERENT situation. I understand some people are not sharp enough to understand the difference in context, I was hoping you were one of them that was....guess not. DD
Actually the context thing is intersesting....if you give a score of 1-10 for context and intelligence I would rate a healthy Kracka0476 versus DaDakota thusly. Kracka0476 Context - 10 Intelligence - 10 --------------- Score = 20 Ron Context- 3 Intelligence - 2 ------------- Score = 5 So to me I may in fact be the better overall player
