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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

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    Exactly. McGrady didn't drive because he was a girl who hated contact. Artest doesn't drive because he simply can't - he doesn't have the body control, handle, balance etc.

    But if McGrady doesn't have a shot, he can atleast get the ball anywhere he wants to for you. The guy didn't make mistakes with the ball.
     
  2. Dave_78

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    You forgot to mention the other differences. McGrady would have developed a limp tonight once he saw his FG% was horrible like Ron's was. You can also figure in a few good quotes from McGrady placing the blame on his team mates.

    Ron was dumb tonight. He basically brought a knife to a gun fight against Kobe but at least he relishes the challenge and doesn't fold like McGrady does when his jumper isn't falling. I would compare their attitudes defensively but McGrady wouldn't defend Kobe. He would have had Battier do it for 40 minutes.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    he has shot bad v. the lakers. but the past 2 years, he's averaged around 10 assists per game v. the lakers.
     
  4. wekko368

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    When he doesn't make his shots, the defenses won't respect him. If they don't respect him, that limits his playmaking abilities. I've said this already.

    And we're talking about how McGrady/Artest contributes to the team when they have poor shooting nights. NBA accolades are for yearly performances. They're irrelevant to specific games.

    Not anymore. Maybe 6 years ago. Now, a healthy McGrady will get tired or have depth perception problems.

    Show me a picture where he's playing on one leg. No offense, but when you keep repeating "on ONE LEG", it makes you sound like a child.

    And I see you're rounding from 37.6% to 39%. At least its better than the 29.2% he shot last year...

    So you think that if he were given the same looks as Artest from the 3 pt line, he'd shoot better than 40% too? What exactly are you basing this on? The fact that he's NEVER shot higher than 40% in his career?
     
  5. Little Bit

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    I'll rather see that than Tmac laughing with Kobe while his team is losing.
     
  6. wekko368

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    Artest doesn't need McGrady to create open 3 point looks. They occur naturally when Yao gets the ball in the post.
     
  7. t_mac1

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    his 3pt% peaked at around 43% this year. that was when he actually just took spot up 3s like ron did and did very little dribbling.

    it started going down when he began to take contested 3s again after those "mini-breaks."

    you do realize what a spot up 3 is right? that's what i was referring to. tracy can make a high % of those if he takes those kinds of 3s.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    IF yao can seal his man and get the ball in the post. that appears to be tough v. the better teams in this league.
     
  9. wekko368

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    Let me get this straight. You think that when his 3 pt % was around 43% this year, all he was shooting was spot up 3's?

    And when his shooting percentage declined, it was because he started taking contested threes?

    Get real.
     
  10. wekko368

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    Its tough for Yao to get the ball in the post when his teammates are shooting poorly. Like they were tonight.
     
  11. t_mac1

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    uhhh...go to the clutchfans site and watch the video game recaps bro.
     
  12. Dave_78

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    I think it is closer to 6 or 7 if you throw out this year's game. I agree that most nights when McGrady wasn't shooting well he contributed other ways. He probably has the most "almost triple-doubles" of any player in the league but he is not and never really was a 4th quarter closer. I'm not saying Ron is. In fact, Ron has consistently made bad decisions late in games but he plays both sides of the floor and the team looks much, much better with him than it ever did with McGrady.
     
  13. t_mac1

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    did you even watch the game tonight? most of the passes were on point. yao just couldn't seal pau off. even bill worrell got freakin' frustrated and u know it takes a lot to get bill frustrated.
     
  14. wekko368

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    I don't need to. Its idiotic to assume that when he's shooting well, he's only shooting spot up jumpers; and when he's shooting poorly, its b/c he's shooting contested jumpers.
     
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    It wasn't just Pau. The Lakers had a lot of help defenders coming from Yao's weak side.

    Laker defenders wouldn't be so quick to leave their man if the Rockets could shoot more consistently.
     
  16. Icehouse

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    t_mac1

    Let it go dude.

    You are right, if T-Mac's shot isn't falling he is still much better than Ron at getting everyone else involved. However, you completely dismiss the fact that Ron is much better defensively. He shot like garbage tonight but still had like 6 steals, right? He was making a defensive impact.

    Did Kobe get the best of him...hell yeah. At least he is willing to take on the challenge of holding him and willing to pop him in the mouth....as opposed to T-Mac who seems scared of the dude...or in awe...every time they play (at least since he has been in a Rockets uniform).

    Bith players have played poorly against LA, so I don't see what this game really proves. You would have a valid point if T-Mac was killing LA, but his play has been just as bad.
     
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    we dont need tracy tlady be an assit leader on this team..that fool a small guard for god sake... Leave the assit to the point guard. How the f0ck tracy tlady considered a to go guy if he scares and depend on his teammate? kobe dont need assit for **** he steal the ball and assit himself for some points. In the end TRACY TLADY TO SHOW UP WHEN THE GAME COUNT and when he get blame for his **** he joke around "its my fault while laughing and ****" F0ck i hate this dude
     
  18. t_mac1

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    he averaged 11 apg in 06-07 and 9apg in 07-08. shot terrible both years though.

    i don't think this team looks as good as the healthy team from last yr (when yao was playing).
     
  19. Icehouse

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    Except for Fisher, Harpring and AK-47....since the playoffs is what matters.
     
  20. thacabbage

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    It's way too convenient to blame all of Yao's shortcomings on his teammates and claim they aren't passing it to him properly. What other player in the league needs the fastball fed to him right through the heart of the strike zone just to catch it?

    It's time for Yao apologists to accept Yao for what he is and stop trying to blame others for his flaws. He's a damn good player but has some serious weaknesses that are easily exploitable at the end of games.
     

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