Fortunately for you I don't have search capabilities, or maybe it's down, but based on this logic, you had better not have been in favor of trading for Vince Carter back at the deadline.
When you get players who criticize you bounced from your team you're being a whiny little b****. I can't respect somebody who's a whiny little b****, and that's why if these rumors are true I have zero respect for T-Mac. In addition to that I could easily believe that T-Mac's a whiny little b**** because of his drama queen antics this season with regards to his injuries.
You know, using past performance to predict future performance is a perfectly valid technique. Yeah, clearly you're not emotionally invested in this subject whatsoever. Talk about black and white. I'm the one who pointed out before that there are a bunch of different factors in basketball. Some factors mitigate other factors. Kobe's a winner, T-Mac's not. And Kobe is clearly the favored son of management over at the Lakers camp. T-Mac's not in the same position with Houston--Yao is. That means that players on the Lakers team may have extra motivation to grin and bear it when it comes to Kobe's idiocy. Dude, when you muddy the waters you're just making it apparent to everyone that your argument can't stand on its own. You're the one who accused me of hating T-Mac. I just pointed out that that's kind of ridiculous coming from somebody who, judging by the over the top, emotional nature of his responses, clearly has some emotional attachment to the guy--hence a member of his fan club.
And you're accusing me of black and white thinking? Dude, there are gradations of wussiness. I rate T-Mac a 10 on the wussy scale. Vince is a 7. By that standard if you can trade Vince for T-Mac you do. Here's something else: let's say that both T-Mac and Vince were 10's. You still trade, because Carter makes less money and the chances of being able to land a superstar in 2010 are nil.
Artest has heart and performs when It counts! He will get us past the first round and maybe more. If this isnt reason enough he should stay and then dump McGradys contract for a big man and someone else, I dont know what is. We are getting better tougher and we have desire. What we didnt have before. This year is going to get better and then when McGradys really off the books we could be better than Boston was their first year together. Kudos to Morey for getting the Drama out and the heart to win here back. Artest does everything McGrady cant. LEAD.
It boils down to style, I like a lot of motion, read and react type of offense where anyone can create for anyone else. I have hated the Tmac dominate style, to me it seemed very Francis like, only with a much better player. Anyway, I understand your point about revisionist history, I just believe that after 4 years of Captain drama, a lot of us have said...ENOUGH. DD
He might have played with less talent in Orlando. But even last year w/o Yao, it was a pretty good supporting cast he had. You can't call them NBDL talents. Tmac and Yao have one common problem: they play better in the first three quarters than in the fourth (i.e., under pressure). One difference is that Yao is getting better in the fourth every year, Tmac is getting worse. Now that we run offense through everyone, we are getting better at closing games. Lack of a superstar who can take over games maybe our achilles heel in the playoffs, but Tmac had plenty of chances to show that he is not the one. This year, you have to rely on the team (w/ Yao as first option WHEN he is in position) and hope for the best.
Some debates are fairly easy to argue and this is one of them. There is no question that when healthy and when hes not being "McLady" McGrady is the better overall player than Artest. Both of these players are extremely streaky 3 point shooters, and they need learn to post up or drive the lane when the 3 point shot isnt going in. One advantage that Artest does have is the defense. Artest seems to put in more effort on the defensive side of the ball. However, for the rockets team Artest is blending very well with Yao and Co., the wins and losses say it all.
Wow, Look at the shot distribution in that game versus where it is now and you will see exactly what Badger and I are saying. That, and a crap call by the refs when Finley was out of bounds..... You know what....I wonder how Tmac would be perceived if the Rockets had won that series and not gotten screwed by the refs? Fate is a fickle thing. DD
Agreed! Stats don't lie and maybe will get out of the 1st round this since the curse is not playing, they shouldnt even let him in the building during the game, remember the Bulls game that they choked away. McGrady was in the building!
that team would have done some damage, man now i feel sad. o well, let's whup the lakers today by 40 baby
Yeh that is a pretty ridiculous statement by DD. Considering that Rockets fans back then were on the edge of their seat just to see Sura get it past half-court without getting the ball stolen. Or the fact that David Wesley couldn't get past any defender. When Jon Barry and Mike James arrived we finally had players who could somewhat make a play. They were given the freedom to make some plays since we desperately lacked it that season. Don't act like Tmac hogged the ball and didn't allow others to contribute, DD. Even then you're asking Barry, who was on his last healthy season, to be a playmaker for a supposed "contender". And Mike James could only make plays for himself.
coaches and announcers have all hailed mcgrady as an excellent passer. and this game was over in the 3rd wen nobody outside of yao and mac wanted 2 play that nite
Seriously...I turn on the game and suddenly they're blowing the lead..Then I see T-mac in crowd...and I'm like ahh dang...get him outta tha building... Typical case of classical conditioning...the Rockets see Tmac and then revert to no ball movement and lackluster play...next thing you know..we blow the lead to the pathetic bulls
I still don't see what you're saying. 20+ shots is what McGrady should've been taking back then when he didn't nearly have the offense support (made even worse when J. Howard went down with the heart virus). If we had J-Ho, then I'd like our chances to win that series and the next one against #1 seeded Phoenix. We'd get to the WCF but most likely lose to the champion Spurs.
You can go even further back to his Orlando days. Look what not having a Grant Hill in his prime cost him. Hill's last season in Detroit: 25.8 PPG, 48.9% FG, 6.6 REB, 5.2 AST, 74 games played, 41.66 PER And remember back in 2003 when T-Mac said "it feels good to get out of the 2nd round" when his team was up 3-1 on Detroit? Well just one year ago, that actually would've been enough to advance. 2003 was the year the NBA decided to extend the 1st round to a 7 game series. T-Mac has just been SOL.
