so yao had gotten us to the playoffs 3 times in 7 years? whoopie. what difference? we finally use him right this year, instead of making him into a franchise offensive player. and the team is flourishing.
Too predictable. Yes, Yao Ming who could barely stay on the court in 05, got handled in single coverage by Okur and owned by Boozer, with the aforementioned two actually being his best 2 of the 3 playoff appearances in the era because he wasn't even a part of the third. That Yao Ming. If your barometer of McGrady's career is his success rate, then everything you have said applies to Yao Ming too. There's a thread here that in detail delineates his horrible managerial moves with the club, capped by trading a highly productive Cuttino Mobley for a washed up Doug Christie (and basically destroying a team poised for the playoffs). This is illogical. If a guy wants out, and also has leverage in having the option of opting out, and expresses he WILL opt out, you trade him. You will most likely retort that the proper course of action would be to try to work things out with the player... I would respond that if things have soured to the point beyond repair, then it's useless. That isn't reflective of what the guy does/did for the team. Did the fact that Shaq and Kobe feuded beyond repair change everything Shaq did for the team? Did it mean they thought they were better off without him? No. Sometimes situations are beyond repair and you have to take your lumps and move on. That's not reflective of the player.
Another pointless argument . What was KG record also??. McGrady is following in the same shoes has KG. "What can they say now? It's nothing they can say now!!!" "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!"
Nope, one's gone and the team's better off for it. I think there's a better than even chance McGrady will be traded during the off-season and then the saga of T-Mac in Houston will be over.
Nope. Zero 2nd round appearances for Yao. Zero 2nd round appearances for McGrady. They belong in the same group as all-star players that can't get their teams past the 1st round. Look at T-Mac's seven playoff appearances. I would have to say there was only ONE series where I thought his team was EXPECTED to advanced. It was 2006-07 season when we had home court against the Jazz and everyone playing. McGrady wasn't perfect but played as well as I could've asked for. Yao Ming on the other hand was a complete liability on defense and rebounding when it mattered the most, and was also very inefficient on offense (oh well, at least he got 25 and 10!) Mutombo outplayed him and should've gotten more minutes.
Yeah, and your nickname sure shows it. At least with Antisonic guys look at his nick and know that he's legit. When guys look at your nick in the future they'll think "Why would anyone want to be associated with that loser?".
DD, he DID let sura and james create a ton (not wesley though though plays were ran for wesley) in 04-05, sura had 10 pts, 6rpg, 5 assists. i'd say that was great stats for just 30 minutes of play. mike james, how could you say that? some were pissed at him b/c he tried to do TOO MUCH and ignored mcgrady. remember those criticisms? he freakin' averaged 13 points in just 25 minutes of play. that's not enough for ya. when tmac is healthy, he will pass the ball and let his teammates do their thing if his teammates are capable of doing those things. sura and james did. that's why that team was so scary going into the playoffs. it wasn't just tmac.
Agreed. Sort of agree. 1. Yao and Tmac have been our best players 2. Yeah, I can see that, but only due to Yao's injuries. 3. Yep, he certainly has done that 4. Ok - not sure how that is relevent - all star stats and all -nba teams are meaningless I think the problem for me is that I have just had enough.......I am tired of his whining, his excuses, his throwing teamates and the organization under the bus. I am tired of him making up more excuses so he can deal with personal matters. I am tired of watching him coast too often in games and essentially waste opportunities. I am tired of him quitting in games....GS a couple years ago, Toronto this year.... Basically, I am tired of the drama that he brings, without the results......you are willing to put up with the BS if he is bringing effort every night, but it is clear that he has not done that on a consistent basis... So basically, I am tired of Tmac.....and it is 4+ years of frustration and excuses boiling over.....even though some of you say he was our best player, I still believe he underacheived during that time because he didn't play as hard as he should have, and thus wasted opportunities. DD
Yeah because we know that our username is extremely important to being a legit poster. My username refers to a man's genitalia. Crap! What was I thinking?
By that logic somebody who's lost in the first round of the playoffs in 20 appearances is in the exact same boat as somebody who's lost in the first round in one appearance.
what does nickname have to do with anything? i'm as involved in game threads WITHOUT mcgrady than most fans on here. wow, some of your logic i'm reading is really out there. so what is "the cabbage?" he has a tmac fan card too? o wait, he doesn't have tmac's nick the logic is just unbelievable.
Gee, and why would I think that a guy who's nick is "TMACISBETTERTHANBABYJESUS" or "TMACTOTALLYRULES" might be a McGrady fan?
I don't know if your a true fan or just a McGrady hater but if you notice something everything you say about McGrady can be thrown back at Yao and Artest. The team was so called "better" with-out Yao because they ran more and it gave the team more space to operate. Yao and Artest are not durable either just like McGrady. All 3 have habits of getting hurt. If you are Morey and know for sure that McGrady is going to be traded during the off-season then this team is going to be horrible. McGrady gets traded ( in your case) and Ron walks at the end of the season then this team is just stuck with Yao. You trade McGrady you are not going to get equal value for him. If they do trade him then the organization is dumb because they went all this way with him just to trade his 23 mil dollar contract to another team when they could keep it for themselves and have that money come off the books so they can sign someone for the 2010 summer free agents.
Hey, at least Artest and Yao work hard, and play with effort. I guess that is too much to ask of Tmac, huh? DD
Yeah because comparing 1 to 20 is just like comparing 3 to 7! What's more relevant is how many of the opportunities were legit. For both players, they only should have been expected to advance 1 year, which was in 06-07. T-Mac stepped up his game like he always does and delivered. Yao? Not exactly.
look DD, from that post, i agree with you tmac should be traded THIS OFFSEASON, not waiting for him to return. i don't want the speculation when next year starts and all the media honing in on us and that could be a distraction. for one time, i want this team to get off to a GREAT start. i want him gone as soon as possible too for the simple fact that the organization has moved on. but the logic around on this board in regards to tmac is just ridiculous and you have to agree with that. and to your lost comment, yes, i think we underachieved. but a lot is due to injuries. yes, that's an excuse. but what can you say? if yao or ron is injured before the playoffs start, what are you going to say? it is what it is.
