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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. ccada

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    Vince, is that you?!! :D
     
  2. TMac4Life#1

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    My s/n has nothing to do with anything. I'm sure if McGrady did play and came back on time like he was suppose to we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I just find it funny that the team is winning but haters still find a way to bring up McGrady instead of letting it go and enjoy the season. Yet they want to bring him up and make him look bad when he was hurt. I wish i was around to read comments about Yao last year. or the year before that. Were guys saying lets get rid of Yao because we have Mutombo. I just wonder if guys are here are fans. Isn't a die hard fan suppose to root on someone thats hurt. You support the guys on your team whether you like them or not.
     
  3. TMac4Life#1

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    I'm glad you understand that someone not healthy isn't going to do good. Its funny how no one is bringing up the Ron Artest situation when his ankle injury made the team look bad. Yao isn't injured but his play causes the team to play horrible. Yet those 2 guys aren't out for the season. I don't understand. Leave Mac alone and lets focus on getting a ring here. THIS YEAR!!!!!!!
     
  4. OpportunityCost

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    I definitely hope T-mac recovers and heals wonderfully. I just hope he doesn't return to play for the Rockets. It would kill our chemistry.
     
  5. Yao4REAL

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    How about this trade: Tmac for AK-47!! I would do it in no time. We're going to have a hell of a defensive team lineup with Yao AK47 Artest Battier and Lowry.
     
  6. Lonestar

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    definitely He is better than She on the court
     
  7. BucMan55

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    The Rockets ability to get out of the first round this year will not be affected so much by who is not out there, but by who IS out there. Do not underestimate the ability of a team and the coaching staff to get everything going when you have the same group of guys every night.
     
  8. kaocsaephan

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    TMac4Life,

    You are a homer. The team is winning, yes, but without their 22 million dollar contract star. And whose fault is it if McGrady doesn't come back healthy? Everyone else's? When Ron Artest was injured, he played his ass off, and even changed a game time decision when McGrady also decided he'd sit out. McGrady was a frustrating playing this year - and we are all aware of his health problems. They even had to negotiate with the guy on when he would and wouldn't play.

    Everyone had high hopes for the team. EXTREMELY HIGH HOPES during the off-season, with the addition of Artest. All McGrady had to do was rehab and come back playing like himself, 20-6-6. But he didn't.

    Btw, everyone (mostly) is enjoying the Rockets run right now. But is it coincidence that they've been on a roll since McGrady sat out? Even if it was, is it criminal to bring it up, especially since this is the case?

    Now I know what a *** is. I thought that was kind of silly but you are a homer and need to stop it.
     
  9. BucMan55

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    I would cease cheering for the Rockets for as long as AK47 was a member. Just like I would have done were Malone or Stockton to come in. I want no part of Okur, Harpring, Kirelenko, or Brewer in a Rockets uniform. The rest of the Jazz havent fallen over to the Sloan Darkside just quite yet.
     
  10. kaocsaephan

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    And the *** = T-mac fan only.
     
  11. OpportunityCost

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    I disagree...I think we are a better team without T-mac...T-mac's shoot first mentality clashed with Adelman's pass friendly offensive philosophy.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    we were 55-27 last yr with yao out for the last part of the season. adelman was the coach last yr.
     
  13. BucMan55

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    Hmm, the team played pretty well last year after Yao went down for a couple months until the injury bug started making Adelman shuffle the lineup every other night. Coincidence?? Prior to that, McGrady was back in the lineup for a few weeks but the lineup was changing quite a bit while McGrady went in and out.
     
  14. OpportunityCost

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    That is true. But, now having seen how this team plays without T-mac, I have drawn the conclusion that we play better without him.
     
  15. DrJB25

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    I totally understand your argument, but to he's been playing on a bum knee all year. You can't use this year's data to seriously come to a conclusion. If you look in the past we use to stink w/o tracy.

    I am happy what he has done for us in the past, but I can't say the same about his performance this year. I wouldn't be sad to see him go if his expiring contract is able to reel us in a better player, but I honestly would love to see him come back healthy and contribute just so he can clean up his reputation again.
     
  16. t_mac1

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    we also have artest, wafer, an improved scola, improved brooks... so yes with more talent, you're supposed to be better.

    a healthy tmac (even last year's version) would def. take this team to another level.
     
  17. Lonestar

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    Do you remember a year when Yao and Tmac went down much, we still got 50+ win?
     
  18. t_mac1

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    no, i don't.
     
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    But...artest, wafer, an improved scola, and an improved brooks all flourish IMO when the ball is moving freely. Tracy has a tendency to stop the ball and I believe this is detrimental to team chemistry.

    Against marginal teams, or bottom of the barrel NBA teams maybe we would win with Tracy hogging the ball. But against top-tiered teams a la Spurs, Lakers, the one man show attitude will not help us advance(1st round exits last two years). It also could have a negative effect on team spirit when one person is being selfish.
     
  20. JSUB11

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    We did not lose the last two years because of the McGrady 1-man show. Two years ago, we lost because of JVG offensive tactic (or lack of) which was predictable and heavily reliant on posting from our two superstars.

    A year ago, we lost because Yao Ming's absence of too great to overcome. McGrady was forced to be the one-man show in the last game of that series. We were down BIG in the 2nd quarter when McGrady caught fire and single-handedly brought us back before halftime. Still dropped 40, but simply did not have enough gas in the tank.

    If anything, TMac showed up each and every playoff series he's played for us. It's not fair to throw him under the bus for playing on a bum knee. We did very well with him running the show and its a luxury that our supporting cast can handle production. I guarantee if we had the players we have today for those past series, we would've gone to the WCF and maybe beyond.
     

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