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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. mjhaver5

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    That happened last season as well...again you are comparing an unhealthy tmac to the current rockets...we are talkin about a healthy tmac. The team was balanced last season as well.
     
  2. jfidd11

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    is ron artest BETTER than Tracy Mcgrady? theres no question he is not, tmac is a 2 time scoring champion and 7 time allstar, ron never been mentined for anything besides defense


    is he better for the rockets, right now the answer looks like yes
     
  3. Icehouse

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    I'm talking about the 07 playoff series, not 08. I have stated numerous times I believe T-Mac balled out of control to get us to the playoffs the last two seasons. That doesn't change the fact that the he was not this uber-unstoppable player in 07. That described player doesn't shoot under 40% in the postseason.

    Dirk was the MVP in 2007. He choked in the playoffs. What did the MVP matter at that point?
     
  4. ThaBlackKnight

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    Its MUCH easier for 8 average to good players to beat 2 superstars. That was the case in 2007 playoffs. Boozer and Williams were the good, maybe even superstars in that series, with the help of Okur, harpring, fisher, ak-47,giricek, and millsap.

    thats 6 productive players vs. Tmac, Yao (2 superstars) and then you have Alston, battier, mutombo, Howard, Head, Hayes.

    Alston is the only one of those who produced offensively, battier was decent at hitting open shots and played good defense, but what else? What could have Tmac done in game 3 when only 4 players scored!!?? You can't tell me that was his fault. I don't think he knew how bad his team was before the series started, thats why he said, "Its on me". Tmac and Yao's supporting cast disappeared. Simple as that. Williams and Boozer's supporting cast stepped up and got better as the series went on.
     
  5. tinman

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    Hakeem Olajuwon never won the scoring title. You think Tmac is better than him?

    Dream plays defense.
    Ron won Defensive player of the year.

    Defense > Offense
     
  6. Icehouse

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    Again, you are glossing over the fact that T-Mac shot 40% that series against a matchup he should have dominated!!! I agree that the Jazz had more talent on their team. If T-Mac isn't shooting like garbage or disappearing in the 4th quarter then we could have won that series ANYWAY. His teammates didn't do their part. [/b]HE DIDN'T EITHER.[/b]

    What more could he have done to win? How about not shooting 9-23 in Game 3, of 6-18 in Game 4? Or 8-23 in Game 6?
     
  7. jfidd11

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    Tmac was never as big as a liability on defense before he hurt his knee. if we are comparing two players skills ron has no chance. ron as the number 2 guy is perfect and maximizes his potential as seen here in houston and even last yr wit kmart, but there was a reason tmac gets paid 20mil a yr
     
  8. tinman

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    yeah to lead the Rockets to playoff first round exits every year
    and so his fans can defend him when he crys at press conferences.

    "Let's not talk about Tracy..hahaha"- Daryl Morey on Bill Simmons Podcast
     
  9. jedicro

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    Fail.
     
  10. ThaBlackKnight

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    Its kinda tough to shoot over 40 % when 4 guys on the court can focus on you. they didn't double Yao often, but they made sure to double tmac every time he drove in to the lane. He made the right plays. he racked up a lot of assists because of this.

    the jazz were deteremined to make somebody else besides Tmac beat them. Are you telling me, he should shoot over 40 %, when he can't get into the paint with 3 guys waiting for him? Game 2 was his only horrible shooting game (he went 1/8 behind the arc), but he had 14 free throw attempts and made 12 of them to make up for that.

    Ask any superstar how hard it is to do that. They took their chances with Yao playing him 1-on-1, which was okay for them because he wasnt going to be able to get more than 15 shots per game due to turnovers, bad spacing, and double teaming in certain situations.

    With Tmac, any pick and roll they trapped, any attempt at driving in they trapped, and any perimeter shot he took, they were in his face, contesting it. On top of that, they played him very physical for 7 games. he doesn't have the thickest or strongest body frame, and that will wear you out.

    Just look at how hard it was for him to score 2 points on this one play:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpW...ayList&p=ABAC3A6FA0F87F91&playnext=1&index=37


    thats the kinda defense he faced for 7 games with very little help.

    As talented as Tmac is, when a team can focus that much attention on you, its very tough to shoot a high %.

    One of the reasons why he shot much better last year is because of Rick Adelman's offense. they were able to attack from various players from different areas of the floor, and that freed up Tmac to shoot much better for the series.
     
  11. tinman

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    he fooled the Rockets organization into thinking he was going to take us to a championship.

    we can't even beat the Jazz or the Mavs
     
  12. dantonv08

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    heck yess ron artest is better than tmac. His overall package brings way more than tmac can ever bring. He brings shut down defense, heart, leadership, he motivates his teamates, he plays through yao,he moves the ball, he gives the team a toughness that I haven't seen in a while. You can't say any of that for tmac. Plus the occasional big nights in the scoring department. IMO he makes tmac worthless.. I hope we keep him, battier, and Yao as our core. We have a team that's capable of shutting down superstar players on a nightly bases. I think we just need to add a big time scorer with tmacs contract. Someone who will buy in to the offense and play d and who is capable of hitting clutch shots. If we get a guy like that we will be set. Oh and by the way this is the last time I'm calling him tmac he doesn't deserve a nickname anymore.....
     
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    they both provide something
    artest is easily a better 3 point shooter and post player making him more valuable in the in and out system.

    mcgrady is a better yao to passer.

    But a healthy tmac better in yao system? I dont care how healthy he is he is a ball needed person so it wouldnt be yao's sytem anymore, its back to tmac system. get real on that one.

    yao system is easy. defense, keep you man from driving getting the potential regardless if it is a foul or not on yao. and offense, be a good consistent 3 point shooter. sounds to me artest wins both categories, do you disagree?
     
  15. OpportunityCost

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    I prefer Artest over McGrady, I can't stand McGrady.

    Signed,

    Yao
     
  16. joesr

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    coming from the guy who wanted tmac over ron ron before that trade deadline.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Another stupid post regarding asset management with no effort to understand context.

    Well done.

    DD
     
  18. OpportunityCost

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    In a game of HORSE: McGrady > Artest

    In an NBA game
    where there are 4
    other teammates: Artest > McGrady
     
  19. kaocsaephan

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    So many big words! Burn!!!
     
  20. jfidd11

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    lol i mean if you think beating the jazz who have one of the best home records in recent years and the mavs who've finished 1st in the L and been to the finals is that easy then i guess he fooled alexander pretty good. im not trying to defend tmacs playoff record, personality or ability to play within a team, im just saying skill for skill i dont c how ron artest can reli be considered a better basketball player than tracy mcgrady
     

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