Superstar to ME is someone I would pay to watch. I live in LA and grew up watching the Lakers and Showtime. My favorite all-time player is Magic and Kobe is the ANTI-MAGIC. So I don't consider him to be a "superstar". Not only would I not pay to see him but I tell people not watch him. So I guess he's a NEGATIVE-SUPERSTAR. I love team-first guys: Yao, Duncan, Wade and I'll pay to see them. They strike me as people that really don't care about their personal stats and only care about their team success.
people used to pay to watch mike tyson even when he's fat and sucks. superstars are those that can take their game to another level consistently over a reg. season and into the playoffs. kobe, lebron, wade, paul, and duncan are the clear superstars right now. deron is creeping up.
I have liked Ron since his St. John days but is a great team player someone who wants to sit out half the season to promote his rap album?
To YOU that is a superstar. I don't really care what YOU think of a superstar is... And no, I wouldn't watch Tyson either...
Why the need to stomp the guy while he is down? Mac is injured and currently not playing. Leave the guy alone. This kind of article has the potential to be embarrassed twice. Tmac is better, Artest is better, no Tmac is better, no Artest is better... who cares?
I did pay to watch Rodman play because of his dyed hair and kicking camera men, not because he's a great defensive player, otherwise his game is dull
I beg to differ. According to She-mac, She is still up there with Top echelon including Kobe, Bron and Wade. She wished in her neverland that she could play with SHAQ .... So far, everybody said nothing but truth,d efinitely not kick her down. Actually she refused to go down in her social status.
Ron is a much better defender and set 3-point shooter. He also consistently plays hard on both ends of the floor. Tracy(when healthy and willing) can play at a Kobe-type level, that Mcgrady is long gone. We need to resign Ron and use that FAT contract to net us some more supporting cast for Yao.
Best quote in the whole thread. All the arguments are useless... winning cures all and Artest is hailed until he jacks up another three and we lose a game or dribbles aimlessly into three defenders...same type of treatment received by Tmac. Lets just relax and watch Rockets bball.
Last time I remembered, Tracy was always blamed for jacking up shots either early in the shot clock, far away threes, or not driving to the rim. The effort/heart thing I would say goes for this year more than any other. Artest is blamed when he takes fade away threes, dribbling like a maniac trying to find an opening, and useless turnovers. And Artest, in past years, have also had his issues with "effort" (i.e. what Clutch was alluding to in terms of Artest ruffling a few feathers with the Rockets).
If you ask me, which of course you haven't , it's the perception of effort/heart with him. You can question his motives (wanting to succeed for personal image or whatever you believe), but to me it's really hard to say he just doesn't care and doesn't try. It's the NBA, and you can be super talented as he is. You still have to try to be as good as he was. You can't coast, I think defenders have too much pride to just let a person coast against them. We've seen SO many talents just waste away in the NBA because of no effort or no heart. I really don't think McGrady falls into that category. I can see how many people think that, since perception is everything.
It really is a hard argument. McGrady is definitely more talented and gifted. But Artest is one of the best defenders, he guards the other teams best man and still can get you 20 points. I like them both if I had to choose I'd say McGrady when healthy. I'm not so sure Artest could have gotten those Orlando teams back in the day to the playoffs, granted they never got out the 1st round. I think it really just depends on how your team is setup, even then I think I would give the nod to T-mac. Both players have their faults.
remember this? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0rdYaMMVawc&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0rdYaMMVawc&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
You know they fit? I'll tell you since the mighty DD won't just to support his argument. Its also the same reason why Kobe-shaq worked. No one wants to say it, but I will cause I don't care about personal likeability. Its the big man. The difference is Kareem and Shaq didn't have to get the ball in "perfect spot" to be effective. Also they could get to their spot earlier and establish, plus they had the stamina to establish that position anytime during the game. In shaq's case, he's probably sencondary break big man to ever play the game. Dream was great also at this , but shaq would revound the ball, kick it out and run down the middle of the lane. While people are focusing on stopping the 1st break, he would run and stop right under the goal. Entry pass and dunk for the easy 2. Yao doesn't do it. Kareem did it also during the showtime lakers. So even when magic was pushing and looking, he knew even at 30 some odd yrs old, kareem was coming. Then if they had nothing, he could receive the ball 12 ft from the basket, back in a couple of times, and shoot the hook. It wasn't the constant waiting for the post, let him back in, back in, kickout, repost, back in and now you're against the clock. DD, you say you don't care about last year or any other year, yet you bring up last yrs chemistry. Chemistry is a yr to yr thing because the team changes personel. I don't care about anything except the title. 1st rd,2nd rd none of it matters to me. You could go to the finals like the mavs one year and lose in the 1st the next. Its all about the title. So I guess if you or any other person wants to say artest is better than tracy, even though I was calling for artest 2 yrs ago and you were talking about how shane was just as good, that's cool. Once again, you're dragging but behind me .
