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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. t_mac1

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    it's funny you bring things up that i didn't even brought up. and resort to these kinds of claims. who cares if tmac is a global icon? who cares what tmac thinks? did i bring up what he thinks or the world thinks?

    i'm responding to YOUR posts. and YOUR claims. get it right.

    and dude, your previous post hinted that our team chemistry in the past hasn't been as good as this group of guys, which is completely false. this rockets organization has to be proud of the heart this team has shown the past few years, whether you respect tracy or not.

    the team with tmac in the past DID play together, they DID play hard. weren't you proud of the team last yr?
     
  2. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Artest is a TRU-er Rocket than Tmac. This statement says it all.

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Itrsquos_official_Ron_Artes-280197-34.html

    "When you get a chance to play for same organization that had Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde [Drexler], you've got to appreciate that," says Artest. "This is definitely the high point of my career. It's the biggest opportunity I've ever had playing basketball.
     
  3. badgerfan

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    Absolutely. $20 million is superstar money. Manu makes half of that. Can you imagine this team with a Manu, or a LeBron?
     
  4. t_mac1

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    well if you judge by the "handle."

    but yet you still find me supporting the team in game threads and cheering on for guys like scola, and hoping we get to the WCF :)
     
  5. t_mac1

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    tmac is NOT a superstar. yao was never one.
     
  6. manhore

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    Not sure what the meaning of a superstar is then...

    I look at the NBA as part of the entertainment field so I look at it as this:

    Will Smith = Box office draw and fairly good actor (Superstar?)
    Jack Nicholson = Not a big box office draw but a great actor (Superstar?)

    I believe Yao is more like Will Smith. Evidence - Rox has grown in net worth while he's been a Rocket. Won't be surprised if the Owner cashes the team in before Yao leaves...

    Also, if Yao has been consistently been voted into All-NBA for the last few years = meaning he consistently has been in the top 1-3% of his profession, wouldn't that scream Superstar on performance alone?

    Or does superstar mean that a player has to be on Sportscenter every night? Then Yao definitely doesn't qualify as a superstar if that is the definition.
     
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    Spot on
     
  8. DaDakota

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    It is a personal definition, but to me a Superstar player is an all time great, someone who can carry a team to victory, or elevates play of those around them.

    In the NBA now, I only see a few Superstars.

    1. Kobe
    2. Lebron
    3. Wade
    4. Duncan

    That is it.

    DD
     
  9. tinman

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    The fact that Artest knew what legacy and legend was when he put on the uniform that says ROCKETS makes him a better player and a TRUer ROCKET.
     
  10. doublebogey

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    Wade is unreal. I think NBA under-sell Wade. Too much Kobe, too much LBJ, too much Celtics, too little Wade.
     
  11. badgerfan

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    You have got to give Artest props for knowing his history and saying the right things when he came to Houston. Clearly he had high, high hopes.

    Now you've just to sit back and pray for success in the post-season.
     
  12. Tom Bombadillo

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    Tracy was a better talent, Ron is a better leader...
     
  13. Naija Texan

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    Ron Artest doesn't and won't ever have the amount of talent that Tracy McGrady has. Still, Ron Artest is healthy right now and Tracy McGrady isn't.


    Personally, Houston fans ragged on McGrady for to much of what was out of his control. They blame him for not getting out of the first round, when the Rockets team hasn't been out of the first round years before McGrady even came here.

    If Tracy McGrady was healthy, I can easily see us getting out of the first round this year because the squad has enough talent in both the starting line up and the bench to do so. Which really hasn't been the case in previous years, (aside from last year but we were missing Yao).

    Still, there is no denying that defensively Artest is better then McGrady, but really the whole hate on Tracy McGrady ban wagon, seems as about as productive as squeezing a lemon in front of your eye. McGrady was never the only player on the court in any of our losses and it isn't as if Adelman couldn't see him in real time having bad nights and not choose to pull him, instead of keeping him on the court for 30-35 minutes.
     
  14. Carladyfan

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    does asian votes means anything to you? i bet at least half of his votes are from chinese voters, the other quarter is from Asian countries, and thats really racist :eek: but i got your point thx.
     
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    5. CP3

    Not an all time great yet but certainly carries his teams to victories and elevates play of those around him. Hornets would be bottom dwellers without him.
     
  16. t_mac1

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    chris paul is a superstar bro. and deron is getting there. and it ends there.
     
  17. Carladyfan

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    so do you consider Dennis Rodman a superstar?
     
  18. t_mac1

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    he's an all-time defensive great.
     
  19. Shaud

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    Wtf :confused: :confused:
     
  20. EssTooKayTD

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    You do know that career numbers across the board show that Artest is a worst shooter right? I mean if this is a Artest vs. McGrady thread. The only thing that can be argued is who is better this year, and even that is not much of an argument.

    Let's not get enamoured with Artest just yet. Outside of his open set shot 3 pointers, his shot selection and playmaking leaves much to be desired. I love that he can hit that open 3. To be fair, even as bad as McGrady was this season, his 3pt % was the highest as a Rocket and his 3pt shot didn't look too shabby. It was everything else that was pretty bad.

    What Artest does better is show his emotion. Let's not pretend that McGrady just didn't care. Watch footage, videos, etc. He cares. He tries. He made plays. He doesn't beat his chest, flex his muscles, and such.

    Let's not pretend that this is the Artest we'll see from now on. Hey, maybe he'll end up being this "we lose together, win together" type of player. McGrady has been known to say the wrong things, but many times he's said the right things too. In the end, it doesn't matter to the general fan base if it doesn't translate to post season success.

    I mean you guys are the same ones that said Wafer was better than McGrady right? That one didn't pan out, so we'll resort to Artest is better than McGrady now?

    I guess I should say, I like Artest on the team. To make a blanket statement that he's better than McGrady is just not true. Put the qualifier of "this season" and it's absolutely true.
     

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