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[CHRONIC] Is Artest better than McGrady?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. t_mac1

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    actually, yao's touching the ball less and less, and the team is playing better and better, in contrast to what you say about yao needing the ball.

    more talent -> easier to spread the ball around.
     
  2. JSUB11

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    A healthy Yao Ming and McGrady were far better than Yao and Artest this season. It's just seems like we're better this year w/o TMac because of our superior supporting cast.

    Way to kick TMac while he's down. He basically played with a bum knee the entire season, up to the point when surgery was necessary. Doesn't that take some mental toughness? This team was awesome the past few season when he's been healthy. I swear, if you gave TMac and Yao the support cast we had now in the Dallas series or the first Jazz series, we would've gone to the WCF for sure.

    Anyways, I'm not saying I dont love Artest for what he's bringing to our team at the moment. I think we definitely need to resign him this summer. As for McGrady, we ran our team very efficiently and successfully with what he had on the court. The guy needs to get healthy and really complete our Big Three next season.

    But lets just win it all this year...for Mac! :cool:
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You sir, clearly get it....you have a great understanding of chemistry and winning basketball, and how styles mix or don't....

    DD
     
  4. badgerfan

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    I brought up the Yao/Kareem and T-Mac/Magic comparison because it was one that Magic made himself, during the Dallas series. Unfortunately the Yao/T-Mac pairing never came close.

    The team's winning now because they're doing a much better job of playing Adelman's offense. Again, that's partly because McGrady's no longer here jacking up 25 shots a night and making a third of them. As I've been preaching all along: balanced attack, balanced offense, balanced scoring.

    The other big factor obviously is the defense.
     
  5. LabMouse

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    Besides the performance between the two, you need add the money in the comparison too. Could you compare a max player to the player with $8M? and ask the $8M player to be better than a max player. Artest with another $14M player would be much better for the current team.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    talent helps DD.

    are you saying the chemistry, styles in 04-05 didn't mix? or how our chemistry last yr was proclaimed to be the best in the L didn't mix?

    funny.
     
  7. t_mac1

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    that's true. we don't have a true superstar. it's best to play that way. so it's not necessarily McGrady. he only averaged 13-14 shots a game this year.

    again, tmac hurt this team mostly on defense b/c he couldn't guard anyone. he ruined some of the team's rhythm and chemistry by going in and out, which messed up adelman's rotation. so when you play/practice little with the guys, it's going to show in the games. that's where he hurt the team more than anything.
     
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    Ron plays defense, T-Mac does not.

    Ron is physically & mentally tougher than T-Mac.

    Ron plays within the flow of the offense T-Mac is the flow of the offense.

    Ron can help a team win when his shot isn't falling by playing defense rebounding, steals, etc. When T-Mac's shot wasn't falling the Rox usually lost because he usually didn't do these things.
     
  9. seanluu

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    all of this nonsense will end when we finally advance past the 1st round without panzie on our team
     
  10. badgerfan

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    Thanks, I appreciate that. I think a lot of the kids here don't get it. You can assemble a team full of All-Stars and still be a loser. Individual talent will only get you so far. That's the problem Weisbrod had with T-Mac--great individual talent but he never did anything to make his teammates better or help his team to win.

    When you get guys whose styles mesh that's huge. When you add in chemistry and teamwork the sky's the limit.
     
  11. manhore

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    I'm sure the TMac apologists will shout that we need McGrady if the Rox doesn't go deep in the playoffs BUT they need to understand that we don't miss McGrady the player, we will miss his $20+ million that we could've used to get a couple players that really fit well with this team.

    We are going into the playoffs with a severe handicap. Last year when the Rox went into the playoffs they didn't have Yao but he only took up around $12-14$ million of the cap which doesn't compare to McGrady's cap hit.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    What is funny is your constant defending of a habitual quitter and loser.

    Tmac is talented, but he is also not as good as "He" thinks he is....but he plays like he is all that matters.

    I would rather cheer and root for a team like the one we have now.....where they all play together, and play hard.

    Tmac is too much about being a "Global Icon" (his words) and not enough about being a winning basketball player.

    And I don't find anything funny about that.

    DD
     
  13. DaDakota

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    DING DING DING !!!

    Lessor players that fit beat talented players that don't.....

    DD
     
  14. t_mac1

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    hopefully we will.
     
  15. badgerfan

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    It doesn't matter what your game plan is, whether it's dribble/drive or half-court or whatever. If somebody doesn't stick to the game plan, no matter how talented or skilled he is, the team's going to suffer.

    Basketball is a team sport. All five guys on the court have to be on the same page, and the coach is the guy who determines what page that is. The Rockets are better without McGrady because even when he was healthy he was unable/unwilling to learn and play Adelman's offense.
     
  16. seanluu

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    t_mac1, give it up. No one wants to hear your nonsense. Look at your handle for crying out loud. You're obviously not biased
     
  17. manhore

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    Only McGrady supporters believe that the Rox has only 1 superstar. Newsflash, Yao is more of a superstar than McGrady...
     
  18. blacktopKING

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    In a nutshell, Tmac is a great 1 on 1 player. Ron is a great team player. End of story. It is like comparing apples to oranges, two types of players. Compare the numbers, I do believe Ron's are better...
     
  19. Icehouse

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    The Jazz had a 7-6 center in the paint? Apples to oranges.

    Wouldn't it be a better comparison to look at how Kobe did vs Utah that year? Let's try that.

    In 3 games that year, Kobe averaged 38 ppg on 54%. He dropped 27, 52 and 35 on Utah. In the one game that he shot like garbage, he got to the FT line 24 times, in Utah!!!!

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tgl.cgi?team=LAL&year=2007

    They went 2-1 against the Jazz and this was with a worst supporting cast with dudes like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown, etc.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Neither one is or has ever been a Superstar...but only one thought he was.

    DD
     

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