[CHRONIC] Do you like Jordan Hill? He could be Morey's price for doing a McGrady deal

T-Mac and Brian Cook for Jordan Hill, Cuttino Mobley, Larry Hughes

Houston Rockets Depth Chart
C: Chuck Hayes/Jordan Hill/David Andersen
PF: Luis Scola/Carl Landry/Joey Dorsey
SF: Trevor Ariza/Chase Budinger
SG: Shane Battier/Larry Hughes/Jermaine Taylor
PG: Aaron Brooks/Kyle Lowry
Inj: Yao Ming, Cuttino Mobley

I think thats a pretty solid trade. Still gives us about $21 million in expiring contracts and a young player in Jordan Hill. Gives us some height.

 

You stated that you want Andre Iguodala and the giant turd sandwich that is Dalembert (which I'm not sure is a possibility because of the Phoenix talk, but we can ignore that for now).

Doing that deal means we don't resign our free agents. Probably we go way over budget for one of Landry or Scola, but I wouldn't even take that as a lock.

 

Why do you think Hill will be the best player in a trade for T-Mac? The salaries aren't even close. There are clearly more players involved.

 

I believe that would depend on Les.

 

I don't think there are too many teams in the league that will go $10 or $15 million over the tax threshold. So maybe Les will do it. And maybe pigs will fly out of my @ss. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

That's not what I said. I think the Rockets can do better than that. Just because you think Jordan Hill is better than Iggy/Dalembert deal, that doesn't mean I want Iggy/Dalembert. You must have missed all the rumors about trades. I think the Iggy/Dalembert deal is long dead.

I believe there is a better chance of a deal that is neither Iggy/Dalembert or Hill as the best player happening.

 

It would be for one season, then Dalembert would be off the books. He might be willing to eat that. Or maybe we just let Scola walk and draft a PF. Or maybe Yao declines his player option and signs an extension instead, due to the CBA.

I'm not saying Iggy/Dalembert is our best deal--there are others I'd prefer, if they're possible. But I'd be okay with it.

 

thats good and all with the graph...but what will be his playing time when Yao comes back

Under Contract:

Yao = 28 -35 mins /game
Landry = 28 -32 mins / game
Andersen = 12-15 mins /game
Hayes = 10-12 mins / game
Hill = (DNP) Coaches decision

* Did not add Scola because he is a free agent at the end of the season

No minutes for him drop this please..I rather get Miller and Tyrus expiring contracts and take it from there. Hill doesn't even play fo the 19-32 KNICKS. In the words of chad "CHILD PLEASE" get over him

 

it goes without saying that there needs to be more players involved. that's why i didn't say it

to answer your question, i don't think hill is the best player the rockets can get for tmac, but it might be the best trade. you can get great players like iguodala or jamison, but at what cost? if you do the sixer trade, you wont have room to resign your own free agents, so its a net loss of assets.

i trust DM to make the right choice. even if it's disappointing at the time.

 

How did you come up with the $10-15 million over the luxury tax calculation?

 

Exactly what trade are you referring to then? You're slamming Jordan Hill and talking about all these other mysterious assets we would be passing on, but so far have named none. You can't call it a bad trade unless you show there were either: a) other options we passed on, or b) standing pat would be better.

Option b above has already been ruled out as being better - the Rockets could save several million doing a deal with NY AND get a young prospect in the process.

 

Exactly, I am sure that for Morey to trade for Jordan Hill, there is something better in it. Hill is only a sweetner to go with Morey's primary target.

It seems that most posters don't expect anything better than Hill.

 

I'd rather hold out for a draft day trade. Unless we're inking Bosh, I love our power forward situation.

 

Andersen = 12-15 mins /game :grin:

 

I already know it's a dumb trade and that Jordan Hill wouldn't be a primary target. It's you who are assuming that he will be all the Rockets can get.

Wait 3 days, and you will see the Rockets get something better. Hill is just a bonus.

 

he might never play with yao. you're looking too far into the future.

if the knicks make the best offer then you have to take it. maybe DM takes jordan hill and packages him with our first round pick to move into the high lotto. if he turns into a good player or not may be of little concern to the rockets. what he is, is a valuable asset. if he's the most valuable they can land without giving up any rotation players (which morey said he doesn't want to do) then so be it.

 

So... we are $3 mil or $4 mil over now. Replace 100% of T-Mac's contract with Iggy/Dalembert. You have built in raise for Dalembert, Yao, Battier, Azira and several smaller ones for players to the tune of somewhere between $3 and $4 million. Factor in raises from $3 million to $7 or $8 million for Scola (net gain $4 - $5 million), and $2 Million to $3 or $4 million for Lowry (net gain $1 - $2 million).

$3mil + $4mil + $5mil + $2mil = $14 million dollars.

Edit:

According to "ESPN trade machine", the combo of Iggy/Dalembert costs $1.5 million more than T-Mac.

Of course, these are off the cuff calculations based on imperfect data. But $10 to $15 million seems reasonable as a general starting point.

 

You must think I.Thomas is there GM.

 

i believe the knicks trade is a fall back incase the bigger trades fell through. at this point it seems that there wont be a big trade, unless the sixers lower their asking price.

trading with the knicks will offer a savings of a few million, plus a valuable young asset in jordan hill. i think most of us have to come to terms with this type of trade being the most probable ending to the tmac saga.

 

Rockets could save several millions more by not doing a deal with NY and getting young prospect by spending a fraction of those savings on 3 draft picks in the 20-40 range. They would have a better chance of getting a rotation player that outproduces Hill.