[CHRONIC] Do you like Jordan Hill? He could be Morey's price for doing a McGrady deal

But New York doesn't have their lottery pick, and I have a feeling Morey isn't interested in trading primarily for picks 2 years for now, particularly if New York actually does land Lebron in the end and becomes a good team in the end.
Gallinari is the one Knick I would badly want, and I would trade anyone on this team not named Brooks and Landry and/or even take Jeffries for them to get my hands on the kid. But as NY doesn't seem interested in trading for him unless we took Curry (which is a hell no), I don't think we can get him. So we have to settle for Hill, and getting under luxury tax which will allow us to buy the second round draft picks we always do.

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Well sure, he's not our primary target. But the Knicks have been a last resort all along, so if it comes down to trading with them and only getting Hill + expirings versus holding onto Tracy, I'll take the former. I'd take a future draft pick too in exchange (can't be promised it will be a lottery, though).

I think most likely it would involve a third team and we get a player from that third team as the main chip. Probably someone who hasn't even been mentioned in the media.

 

If you do a cost/benefit/risk analysis, Hill is the best value that's been offered.

It is amusing to see people post about Tyrus Thomas and his "dominant" 8 points per game. He is also in the last year of his rookie contract, so feel free to pay through the nose for that "awesome production". And when people talk about Thomas and his "great potential" vs. the so-called "old rookie" Jordan Hill, they fail to realize that Thomas is a year older than Hill.

Thomas has more time in the league, without an concurrent increase in performance, is older than Hill, and is about to get a big pay raise. Where is the value in taking him on?

 

Something hidden, this way comes.

 

Finally someone with common sense.

 

Just found this, which is a bit disturbing:


Knicks' Gallinari leaves game with injury
By MARK HALE

Last Updated: 8:35 AM, February 13, 2010

Posted: 1:43 AM, February 10, 2010

Adding injury to insult, Knicks forward Danilo Gallinari left last night's crushing overtime loss with an aching right forearm. It was not the first time the malady has surfaced this season, and it might not be the last.

Gallinari, who dealt with a recurring back injury last season that required surgery, left the 118-114 loss to the Kings with 1:16 to go in the third quarter and never returned. The diagnosis is a sore right forearm, and though X-rays were negative and Gallinari said he expects to participate in this weekend's All-Star festivities, the news of his injury remains disturbing.

Gallinari said that he also experienced forearm soreness on Dec. 2 against the Magic (he missed the next game). Worse, Gallinari said the Knicks are not sure what is causing the pain and admitted that "the muscle in the arm is weak."

"Probably with a couple of days' rest, it's going to be back to normal," he said. "It's not a bad injury."

Gallinari is not expected to miss any games because the Knicks do not play again until Tuesday. But it raises a red flag that Gallinari, the Knicks' most valuable long-term piece, is having injury problems for the second straight year.

Gallinari appeared hurt when he went to the free-throw line after being fouled with 1:23 to go in the third. One of the league's best shooters, he airballed his first attempt. He shot his second try left-handed, missing that one as well. After drawing a charge on the other end, Gallinari left the game.

"It was getting worse minute by minute," he said. "I was feeling weaker minute by minute, and that free throw, I had no power in my fingers. We'll see. It's going to take just a couple of days I think because it's not bad like it was in Orlando."

How does he prevent it from happening again?

"I don't know," he said. "Probably getting this muscle in my arm stronger. I don't know. We still have to find the exact reason."

Gallinari is scheduled to play in Friday's Rookie-Sophomore game and participate in Saturday's Three-Point Shootout. He said he would get treatment today and thinks he will be fine for the weekend.

"I'll be there and I'll be shooting the ball like all the other guys," he said. "It's not a bad, bad injury. And they told me, and I know that in a couple of days, it's going to be back like normal."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/gallinari_leaves_game_with_injury_dwv2oR9qjFD6UuY8sfw1BN


I didn't even know he had back surgry last year. Back surgery for what? And what's up with the arm? I'm very concerned about getting anyone who has a history of health problems, given our own bad luck. Anyone know more about this?

 

this isn't a bad trade
al harrington and jordan hill
height and talent for a non-playing player
mcgrady is still a beast to me though

 

Nothing to do with the dreads/size. It is their game. His last year at AZ looked alot like Bosh did during his rookie year in Toronto. Their ability to crash the boards, their shotblocking ability, the long arms, the developing offensive game (comparing him to a rookie Bosh, some post game, nice turnaround jumper). I saw alot of Hill at AZ, and I am sold he will be a good pro.

It was Donnie Walsh who drafted him not Scott Layden. Drafted Gallanari last year, drafted Al Harrington at 25th overall, drafted James Jones at 49th and Primoz Brezec at 29th (mostly had late picks, only lotto picks were Gallanari and Erick Dampier)

BTW, he has a vert leap of 35" according to the predraft camp numbers. So clearly, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

$37.5 mil and the sap is expected to drop from $57.7 to $54 mil. That is $16.5 mil in cap space. If they need $2-3 million in cap space, they don't bother with McGrady. McGrady is only worth it, if they trade Hinrich and Salmons to sign 2 max players.

 

wanna unhide that one for us?

 

They have publicly stated that they want to sign two max players if possible, or one max and one near max.

 

I'll take Toney Douglas in any NY deal. He was one of the most effecient players in college basketball last season, and he was the ACC's leading scorer and defensive player of the year. You tell me, is that easy to do?

 

But we need SIZE.

 

Think of what has more value. If T-Mac is only a band-aid for NY's losing ways, then they will be in the lottery again. We will be in the same position as the Jazz, when they stole NY's pick from Phoenix for cap relief.

A potential star player in 2 years is better than young 2nd-string PF in 2 years.

 

Morey had 3 Rockets drafts as our GM, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

In 3 years, he has drafted Brooks, Landry, Greene and Budinger. Most of those picks were purchased from other teams.

If Morey has shown anything, it's that he can draft a rotation player every season. I would say those players were better than Jordan Hill in their rookie years.

If Jordan's value is as a trading piece for next season, he has failed. Jordan Hill will have less trade value than Greene(who got us Artest), Landry, Brooks or Budinger. Morey can purchase a few late round draft picks and draft another promising young player. Morey can get more from Brooks, Greene, Landry, Budinger than from trading Hill.

He can always pick up some more cheap rotation players from other team's late round picks. Hill is backup to Landry and Scola at best.


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If the Rockets do your preferred trade for a mega-contract like Dalembert, they won't be able to afford both Scola and Landry, so it would probably be a pretty good idea to start looking for that backup.

Morey does a fabulous job of extracting value late in the draft. One of the ways he does that is by drafting undersized but skilled big guys. The benefit that Hill has is length, which is unavailable when you draft big guys late if you want to get someone who can actually play.

 

Wrong. My preferred trade is to not get Jordan Hill and Dalembert as the best players in a trade.

 

I knew you were Landry.don't worry hill wont take your job. :grin:

 

i think the point is that you have to get something for tmac before the deadline. otherwise its a lost asset.

since you must get something for him, you have to take the best deal you can find regardless of how it fits. i understand not wanting to kill the cap for years to come by trading for iguodala and dalembert... i understand not wanting to overpay for jamison... if jordan hill is the best out there then so be it. better than nothing, which is what tmac has given us.

 

Some of you guys are underrating Jordan Hill. It's important to remember that he's an unproven commodity, but some of you are behaving as though he's done poorly this season. He has not.

Stats Adjusted Per 36 Minutes
.471 FG% (not great for a PF, but remember, he doesn't just work at the basket, he shoots from mid-range as well)
9.0 TRB
1.1 AST
1.6 STL
1.5 BLK
14.9 PPG



I like that he is hitting from mid-range all over the court, and finishing decently at the basket. His post-up game isn't quite there yet, but that's one of the things which improves the most with experience and practice.