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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. MadMax

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    i was at the game last night. the Rockets missed a fair amount of wide open 3 pointers. the fans in the area around me kept commenting on it, it happened so frequently.

    in my opinion, this team is a PG who can shoot away from being a 4 seed or so.
     
  2. thumbs

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    The Chronicle sports staff once again shows it has a serious math dysfunction.:D
     
  3. clove

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    I sounds like you misunderstood my post....or am I not understanding yours?...doesn't matter though.

    Yes, we had a ton of open looks. Our role players have seen so much open looks this year, they just haven't been able to knock them down. Some here blames JVG for that, lol. There is no reason to believe they will continue to miss them.

    A shooting point like Bibby would be great for this team, as with a sweet shooting small forward. I feel our most urgent need is still a defensive minded PF. Mo and JH is playing much better lately on offense, but they still can't cover for Yao when Yao is out of paint or out of position. It didn't really hurt us the last couple of games, it will when we play better teams.

    lastly, MadMax. I believe with our current roster, we could be a 4 seed. My prediction had been a 5th seed, but 4 and 5 isn't that big a difference.
     
  4. leroy

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    I would assume that they were referring to regular season stats. Dream and Clyde's game was in the playoffs (which made it that much more amazing...ahh the glory years)
     
  5. Fegwu

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    Why do you think it is completely "out of our system"? Is it because you want to "believe" that junk or you were one of those who failed to exercise patience to watch this team evolve.

    I really do not believe it is a "new system" rather it is an evolution of the original plan. JVG is a better offensive coach than given credit. He is better imho than Rudyt offensively. JVG is a nut case and a borderline saddist but he is a damn good coach. Unlike Rudy who never wants to change his plan and approach.

    Back to center; what we are seeing now is tangible improvements from the players. There is trust amongst them and the coming together cohesively. Rome was not built in one month that is why patience is virtue in this case. This team still lacks the necessary personel to get to where they need to be and JVG can still be stubborn atimes but we will continue to get better regardless of all the negatives. Tmac and Yao are begining to accept and understand their roles better - we can only go as far as they can take us and no coach on earth can necessarily change that fact.
     
  6. Mr Boo

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    well said Fegwu!
     
  7. grothendieck

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    Was it JVG who wasn't patient? He coaches a team with 2nd defense and 29th offense in the league and you say he is a damn good coach. A question for you. Is there a hole in his coaching?

    Well, maybe he can coach offense if he really works on. But he has to, has to really work on it right now (in his 9th year of coaching). It's an attitude problem.
     
  8. gucci888

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    JVG a better offensive coach then Rudy? Rudy never wants to change his plan and approach? :rolleyes:

    Don't say things you don't mean Fegwu. There is a reason why Rudy won 2 championships. JVG rode Riley's team until they were old and grey, and then the guy quit.

    THE ONE THING JVG HAS NOT DONE IS CHANGE HIS PLAN AND APPROACH, EVER. Sorry for posting in caps, but I still can't believe you wrote that.
     
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  9. Rockets2K

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    and I dont think you are any more right than he was with this statement.

    the increased transition attack and less relaince in grind-it-out halfcourt over the last few games shows to me that VG can be flexible in his offensive approach.

    Im still not a huge fan of his, but to claim that he NEVER changes is being shown to be false by the evidence at hand.
     
  10. Fegwu

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    Rudy is no doubt the best players coach. It works with cetrain players. He is a Houston legend and a great person no doubt.

    That said there is nothing from his time in Houston to distinguish him as a special coach in terms of Xs and Os. Much credit for the championships should go to him but who are we kidding Hakeem was "it". Great players make great coaches and Hakeem made Rudy.

    In the 3 years Rudy with Francis and those years with Hakeem Rudy showed that his offense lacked dynamism. Nothing changed - ISO or dump-it-down-and-then-3pointers. Even when it looked broke at the tail end of Hakeem's career and Francis' 3rd year he defiantly refused to change but we gave him a pass because he was a legend (and rightfully so). Unless I was in a coma, I really do not remember Rudy as a great offensive coach rather he was a great person who brought the best of heart and hussle out of his players (something JVG maybe lacks).

    JVG is an underrated X and O coach especially offensively due to the fact that he is a low possesion kinda coach which translate to low scores (this two can be mutually exclussive). He runs a quasi motion offense that continues to work around the fundamentals of the game. His offense involves everyone and requires every team member to make a shot. It requires trusting each other and it usually takes time to get going. It requires total physical fitness. His substitution pattern still need work. He has not won a championship yet but I believe he is what we need to get it done. He may not be fun to root fun but he knows the craft very well.

    PS. Rudy is still Rudy and I will continue to love him. JVG is not yet in his class. That said I just had to call it like I see it.
     
  11. Tonaaayyyy

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    matt maloney held a record? :eek: :p
     
  12. IndianPlaya

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    I think what we are seeing right now, the fast brfeaking, the running, the pushing the ball up the court, the scores in the triple digits, is proof that van gundy has changed.
     
  13. thumbs

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    Absolutely. Most years paid without playing.;)
     
  14. Toast

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    Pushing the ball up and forcing a faster tempo has basically coincided with Bob Sura coming off the IL. I don't think it's a "new" plan. It's just we have players with a push the ball up mentality handling it. Sura & TMac both run.
     
  15. tim562

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    Exactly
     
  16. clove

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    that's how I see it.
     
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    "The closer I am to the basket, the more field goals I can make."


    Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Ladies and gentlemen, we have comprehension.
     
  18. qrui

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    it may no be new but the coach has to adopt it. if jvg said slow down, half court offense, you think sura could run? the way i see it, it's a positive change on jvg part.
     
  19. clove

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    So...coach just happened to change his philosophy on the same day Sura returned? It's possible....I don't know why you choose to believe that.
     
  20. Rockets2K

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    well, to be fair, remember reading the article where VG states that he never discouraged them from running and tryin to get more transition baskets.....

    the question then becomes, do you trust his word on that?

    If you do, then you would think that the emergence of the running game coincided with Sura's return because the other personnel at the point were not capable of it or didnt want to do it.

    I personallly think that once VG realized that his grind it out O wasnt workling with any of the combinations he put on the floor, he decided to get flexible and see if something else would work...probably encouraged by Tmac....I think it has alot to do with the talk that Tmac (and reportedly Yao) had with him a little while back.

    I just cant believe that a professional coach would be so stubborn that he wouldnt change a little if it meant taking better advantage of his star players...
     

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