[CHRON] Van Gundy says he would have played 19-year-old Gay

Getting Mike James won't address their woeful lack of size in the guard corps. However, it will address the problem of having a PG who can't shoot. I don't see how V-Span upgrades this roster to the level of a Dallas or SA. He's a Euro player who may or may not be able to play in the league much less be a superior talent. Even so, they don't have the ability to add him and the other players they need to transform this roster to the extent they need to do in order to be serious contenders.

You are right: they will be better but not so much as to be one of the top teams in the West with a legitimate shot at the Finals.

 

For sure, the GM's job should be getting the best player for the team, present and future. Even if the coach only wants short term success (how much success they will have next year is in question). CD's number one obligation is doing what's best for the team.

Pathetic

 

and that's the crux of the matter... Swift...... former #2 overall. Gay..... #8 overall.......... for Battier....... former #8 overall...... I don't see how that adds up to equal value.....

 

Isn't it pretty impossible to get Mike James if we bring over V-Span?
To get V-Span over don't we have to use part of our MLE?

 

munco,you are correct.

 

That argument only makes sense if player value was somehow directly proportional to where they were picked in the draft.

Swift does not have the value of a number 2 pick. At this point, he's a late first rounder (if you want to think in those terms). And while Gay may eventually turn out to be a better player than Battier, he's probably not going to be better than him the next couple years. Again, I'm not just talking about fantasy numbers. The value of a player goes well beyond that.

 

thanks for clearing that up Saleem. I really don't know enough about V-Span right now to have a strong opinion on using part of the MLE on him.

 

Swift’s trade value should be about the same as Kwame Brown’s trade value, considering their production and potential is about the same.

The Wizards were able to get Caron Butler, a player that averaged 17.4 points a game for them last season, in exchange for Kwame last offseason.

 

I think it's possible that Gay might not turn out to be better than Battier in the next couple years but I wouldn't bet on that. I think Gay could easily be a Josh Howard type player in the next couple years. And like I said in other threads Villanueva played one year at Uconn and was the 2nd best rookie last year. Also, every single lotto pick from Uconn has had great success in the league starting from their rookie campaign.

 

Actually, that is not true (it is not not pretty impossible). We can still get Mike James and V-Span quite comfortably.

We just need Toronto to do a sign and trade with us in order to send us Mike. If we truly want Mike, we will get him with a S&T since Toronto has no interest in him and would gain from it if they do a S&T.

So no, Munco is not really correct.

 

Impossible? No. Difficult? Very.

Since you know you need a full MLE to bring over V-Span, you have to hope you can do a SnT with the Raptors. Given that we don't have many assets, that's going to be tough.

Actually, since the Raps are trying to be the Suns-east and since Van Gundy isn't going to play Spanoulis any way the best case scenario is to use Spanoulis as part of the Mike James SnT. Then you'd still have a full MLE to add to roster depth. IMO, we'd be in the ball game for Songaila (full) or Jumaine Jones (partial).

Probably never happen, but (assuming a James SnT) I'd start the MLE bidding with a strong bid at the Bobcats' Melvin Ely.

 

james wants to get paid, avery wants him. toronto need a point, dallas want to unload daniels. rockets lose out.

 

That's incorrect. The Mavericks do not want to "unload" Daniel's. They are doing a CYA in case Jason Terry is difficut to re-sign.

 

I meant how can we can get them both with the MLE.

I wasn't talking trades. We don't really have much to trade with now.

 

In that case...the answer really is "impossible".

 

Because we blow all our assets.

BTW, if we were going to trade Rudy Gay, the Grizz should have taken on Howard's contract (not Swift) AND we should have gotten the Grizz' #24 pick this year AND Hakim Warrick. That would have given us ASSETS. But instead, the Rockets were so awestruck with getting Battier they decided they had all that they needed. Ridiculous!


We dont have any assets to trade and the MLE can only bring in one decent player. Let's all remember what the MLE really is, it is a vehicle to add a role player. That's it. Think about the type of players that sign the MLE.

The Rockets would be lucky to get a Mike James for the MLE. That's the best they can do.

Al Harrington, Chris Wilcox, Vlad Radmanovic etc etc. None of those guys are signing for less than the MLE.

And this BS Van Gundy article is ridiculous! I am dizzy from all of the spinning!

 

nice.

 

True. the sticking point here is, we blew all our assets really cheaply. i truly believe swift and gay could have neted us rashard lewis or at worst richard jefferson.the organisation has alot of explaing to do. thus far, all i see is everyone is passing the blame to the next fella.

 

forreal
easy to say now that he is gone

JVG is ridiculous

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You said it straight Deuce. Old Jerry West had CD and Morey peeing down their pant legs: "Oh I got another deal for Shane right now - you better pull the trigger or your man is gone!"

Real men would have gotten us a lot more for Gay and Swift, or they could have shipped Juwan out, kept SS, and still improved our team +/- tremendously. We could have gotten Memphis's #24 and either gotten an asset to trade or turned it into a draft pick for next year.

Battier is a good 6/7th man right now but he is not starting material for a championship team and he was too little to receive in return for our two players.

Noteworthy that absolutely no rumors or stories have floated out about Gay that would justify giving up on him so totally that we trade him for a 6th man who has lost a step and a jump and will lose more over the next 4 contract years....