[Chron] Trade with Wolves unlikely (Rockets discussing Mike James deal)

Now tell me how many David Lees are there?
Exactly.

The point is would u rather gamble on a proven-veteran who knows the system or a unproven, low 1st-rounder who has no clue how the JVG system works?
Exactly.

we are in WIN NOW mode....

 

enough said....there has been some very constructive comments form some of our members and some very ignorant rants as well.

at the end of the day, the rockets would definitely jump with a trade of sura + lucas(or mabe novak instead of lucas) for mike james, and also a seperate trade of big jake for eddie griffin. (because jake can be only traded individually for those of you who doesn't know the trade rule.)

y? we essentially did not give up anything except having to pay more money and have our cap tied up a bit in the coming season. But if you look at the risk-reqard factor, which i'm sure morey is doing, this is definitely a good trade for the rockets. even any stupid( emotionally-binded is prolly more appropriate) rockets fan who hate james because he betrayed us cannot disagree that this trade will take us to the next level.

we obviously need a point guard behind rafer and james provide just that. now luther can be his off guard all the time. this will also provide us with the depth, something that JVG has been stressing as a weak factor. who cares if our depth means quality player playing less.

now someone argues that perhaps james is going to desrupt chemistry, which is absurd. we all know JVG is going to put a player in the dog house if he does any stupid crap that disrupt chemistry, see bonzi, notice how bonzi became a strapped dog now . this is a non-factor!!!!

now the problem with this is obviously minny know how much this trade will benefit us and will probably want to ask for more, even if this trade also benefit them b/c MJ is a bad fit at minny and this trade provides over 16 million in cap relieve over the next three years. so the bottom line really depends on if mchale is willing to pull the trigger.

 

Doesnt James salary also go up because of his trade kicker???

 

Thanks for posting this....it's only been posted about 10 times already...

 

First rounder + Sura for Mike James - I think that would be an awesome trade. I kind of dislike MJ after this summer and he certainly hasn't played as well as he did last year, but I would say his addition would help us a ton at backup point guard. However, I'm weary about trading Novak...I like the kid to much to give up. My first choice is tossing in JLIII, the VSpan, THEN Novak...or maybe we can give em Big Jake...I think Novak has got too much potential to use in this trade. But, in the short run, even if we threw in Novak, I think it would be a big trade for us.

So does this mean James gets his trade kicker from Minny? Plus, if we get his contract do we still have to uphold his trade kicker?

 

If you can get it done, this is a no-brainer. We're talking about dealing a pick in the bottom five of the first round - where your odds of getting a rotation player are probably 25 percent at best, and even there, you're probably looking at a Luther Head-like impact as one of the better scenarios. It's definitely a useful pick, but nothing to lose sleep over. Other than that, you're talking about a retired player and a second-round pick buried on the bench.

And in return, you're getting a role player that has experience and success in this system that can potentially put you over the top. It's a risk well worth taking, imo. If the Mavs game taught us anything, it's that this team needs more perimeter players who can create off the dribble, and MJ would fill that role quite well.

 

mike james would be money on this team. i wouldn't mind relegating head to the end of the bench since james does pretty much everything luther does, only he can dribble and pass. i think some of you are missing how horrible this team looks with head running point, and that having a real point who can shoot off the bench means we don't have to go tiny with 2 pg's (rafer and head) at the same time. this would also cut down on rafer's having to play 48 minutes bc nobody else can handle the rock. you can still put head in for some clutch shooting when the matchups or need call for it.

 

no they are in a bind. McHale knows that he won't get anything better than getting:

1. Sura's contract
2. First Rounder
3. A local (albeit another state but close enough) player who could get some mild interest from fans.

What he's guilty of is being stupid for trying to hook Griffin's contract along w/ James'. This is as good as he'll get it because very few teams wants James and even fewer would want to throw out a 1st rounder.

 

I am just shocked that we even are going after Mike James- why? Did he not complain about not having been treated to steak dinners and showed CD his true colors.

If this is all we want to do- then I would rather stand pat.

If we are going to trade Bonzi- we better have a solid contributer at the PF position. Bonzi is a valuable asset and I really think we are selling him short.

Bonzi + Sura + others can get us some serious upgrades. Let us not rush into things- if Mike James is our savior!

 

No doubt about it.

The Rockets making a deal for James signals they are trying to catch the Suns and the Mavs. They need just a bit more firepower to be able to matchup.

 

he'd be eating Rafer's mins, not Luthers.

 

If you don't have to give up a rotation player, you do it in a heartbeat.

 

Bonzi has gotten us proposed deals of a Sweetney from Chicago, Dale Davis and Flip Murray from Detroit. Unless these "others" include a 7'6" center or a High Schooler from Mt. Zion, you're not going to get anything better than this at this late stage in the game.

 

Mike James is a heck of lot better fit than the no outside J Knight or brittle and slow Dickau.

I'd love to get Duhon. But he is in the middle of the Bulls rotation that has a chance to come out of the east. They would want at leasy 2 1st rounders from us if they would consider trading him at all.

For Ridnour it would take a #1 pick AND a core player, Head or Rafer at least. Much bigger of a chemistry risk and would still leave us thin in the backcourt.

Remember Anthony Johnson went for one of the earliest possible 2nd round picks. Makes Mike James for a very high 1st rounder not bad. (I'd take A Johnson as well if Atl will send him here and screw the Mavs)

I agree. 1st plus JL3 or VSpan. If they want Novak at least make them send their 2nd acquired from Phily (probably the 3rd pick of the 2nd) for our 1st.

Overall, sounds like this gets done.

 

The art of benchmarking is a wonderful thing. But it seems we are content with Bench marking Rafer with Luther- rather than Rafer with the 4 othe PG that we will face in the play off's. No one is asking for a Steve Nash type of performance- but Rafer is NOT consistent enough to make me feel comfortable.

The reason head is even getting minutes is JVG ( assuming he playing the back-up PG role). Kirk Snyder should be getting minutes atleast in adefensive role- those minutes should be coming at Luther's cost- no one really is thrilled about his PG skills ( which to begin with he is NOT).

It is Amazing how we want a SG to play PG role and a Back up PG to play the SG role!

 

I think some of you have a memory problems and forget what happens in the game against Hornets...
God forbit we lost Rafer right before the playoffs.
if we dont have Mike James, we will be a 1st round fodder again. I garanteed it!!!! (this line has potential to be in the clutchfans classic.)

 

Was I the only one who figured we'd most likely trade for Mike James after reading the thread title?

 

I sincerely hope that the Rockets don't miss out on trading for a player who would be a better fit because of this Mike James rubbish.

 

why the H are we giving a first rounder???

a 2nd rounder at best, I'd tell Mchale to shove it and wait till he gets desperate in the offseason, Mike James isn't going anywhere and will just wallow at the end of the bench, just lowball Mchale in the offseason. I'll live and die with the roster as is in the meantime.

We should just give them Sura's contract and JLIII, and tell Mchale to like it or else...

 

see the thing is i dun think including a first rounder is a good deal for us. if we include a first roudner then theres no reason y mchale won't do it.