Exactly. You said, "Even with his rock-bottom play, he was still a better player (in much, much worse offenses) than any PG currently on our team has ever been" didn't you? So I selected Francis's "rock-bottom" season. Are you now regretting to have made that "rock-bottom claim? You should have said, "Francis at his best was better than any PG currently on our team." Then I would have to agree with you, and your claim that Francis IS better than other PGs we have would have been a bit stronger. You see, making "loud" and exaggerated claims does not help your arguments.
^^^ Yes, rock bottom play over (what I thought was implied) a season... and a season where he was the starting PG. Not rock bottom play over the course of 20 games where he was playing off the bench, or at the 2-guard, for the first time in his career... That's hardly a fair comparison. You might as well just take the worst game he's played in his career, and pit it against James' season in Toronto. James is a better shooter, definitely, but not a "MUCH better" shooter. Francis has had his struggles from outside, but he has shown the ability to hit in the upper-30s percentage from three if playing in a decent offense. In fact, he had a season in Houston where he shot almost 40% from outside for us, including several big shots. I believe that the Francis with a solid jumper is the one that is going to show up in Houston. James is more careful with the ball (mainly, he's less ambitious with his passes), but he's not a better ball-handler. What I mean is he's worse in bringing up the ball under pressure, and he's a worse penetrator off the dribble. (But he's still very good at both). And no, tonight's game isn't going to tell us anything. We won't really have many definitive answers until at least a couple weeks into the season. I have covered all of this in my posts on the previous page... When I drew the comparisons to Williams, Bibby, and especially Jackson; and when I mentioned how this offense is not going to be anywhere close to as neat and clean as some people seem to think it will be. We need players like Francis as much as we need pure shooters, off-ball-cutters, great passers, and post-up players. You need a LOT of diversity in your offense to succeed. If the last, I don't know, eight years haven't taught people that, I don't know what will. And you lost whatever credibility you ever had, or ever had potential to have, or ever even dreamt of having right there. Actually, I don't. The smartass "yelling duzn't make u rite, lolz" stuff is tired, and it just makes you look incapable of forming a coherent argument. I described in my posts exactly why I think Rafer sucks on the break. I said what he can and cannot do. The all-caps isn't just for making a "loud assertion". It's a simpler way to occasionally put emphasis on certain words without using mark-up. It's not like your attitude in this debate is any different just because you're using lowercase characters...
Why did he lose whatever credibility he ever had? I don't think anyone that wasn't 13 years old during the Francis era would want Steve on their team over Bobby Jackson. Francis just isn't that good and some here need to accept that.
My god... you are out of your damn mind. I really don't know what else to say... Tell me, what exactly what Bobby Jackson better at? He may have been a better shooter. That's it. I seriously... I'm at a loss for words. Bobby Jackson at his absolute BEST comes no where near the level Steve was at any time during his first 4-5 years in the NBA. Very possibly not even the level he's at now. I can't believe there's even any debate about this.
Steve Francis has his faults. Nobody is disputing that but he's had one week to figure out the Adelman offense. I would give the guy a month or two to figure it out because it's kind of like learning a new dance step. Some people pick it up fast. Others slower but eventually get it. Some never figure it out at all. I think Francis would fall into the slower but eventually get it camp. At least I hope so. Remember that T-Mac said everyone in the first days were competing hard but running to the wrong spots like chickens with their heads cut off. Some guys will just pick it up faster than others. At any rate, Francis will eventually get his minutes. Whether that is as a starter or coming off the bench remains to be seen. It really doesn't matter as long as he's productive for us.
anyone with a brain would take the sac-town bobby jackson with our current roster over francis even if he was in his prime.
95% of the people on here are blind francis supporters. he can do no wrong in yall's eyes. there would be no point
You guys all forgot how good Francis was in the first year in ORLANDO under Jonny Davis!!! Yes, he do need the ball in his hand but he won't limit Yao and Tmac's PPG at all...Look at what he did in ORLANDO...He avg more than 21 PPG but his teammates like DH12 Cuttino and Grand Hill still sccored very good points with him on court...He avg like 7 assistants p game which MJ and RA could never do...and thats why Yao and Tmac need him on court. I cant understrand people doubting Francis because he need the ball?? Even Jason Williams and Mike Bibby needs the ball too under Adelman!
First off, I will agree that wasn't a great post. However, why don't you give the team a chance to develop under Adelman's system before you start hating on players right out of the gate? You haven't seen one single game yet. Last season is last season. He's obviously doing something right to be starting. This isn't last season
well let's see your wording: "95%"---> how did you know? "blind"---> are you saying 95% posters here are crazy ignorant fools? "no wrong"----> who said that? those 95% people? "yall"-----> then who are you? you sounds like a typical hater. Who is going to claim that he is the one with a brain, 95% others not, and " has an unbiased judgement of every players' abilities" ? a fool.
Haha, so now you qualify your so-called "rock-bottom" play. You might as well say that you meant "rock-bottom" play over a VERY GOOD season. BTW, I deliberately not selected James' Toronto season and I actually put in parentheses that it was his season with Houston, a very good team that year. This just tells me that your reading is pretty selective.
