[Chron] The first question Gary Kubiak will hear today: Who will be the No. 1 Pick?

all of this is assumption, msn. that's my problem.

the assumption i hear from the pro-bush camp is that the guy will absolutely equal wins...and that if we take VY, we can't improve next year. i think that is beyond ridiculous.

 

I agree 110%. Since I was real young, through high school and even part of college, I was a fanatical Oilers fan, we had season tix and the whole nine yards. Sunday meant Oilers - and that was it. Now, had they not moved, I don't think I'd feel quite the same way, having gotten older and moved out of Houston a decade ago, but I'm still a big Rockets fan and will continue to be one forever. Same same with the Astros.

In the meantime, I sort of filled my football fix b y becoming an evenn bigger College FB fan - I feel the college game is far superior to the NFL in terms of holding my interest

So I was happy when the Texans came online because it meant I could pay attention on Sundays again. I watched the first game against the Cowboys with rapt attention. After a while though, with the losing, the feeling that I'm rooting for a consumer product rather than a team I grew up with, and the general, well, kind of boringness of the team and its personnel (Capers was SUCH a bore. Nice guy but I can't ever recall seeing him and saying anything remotely interesting in 4 years.) There were a few exciting games in the early days - but that momentum was lost, and the result was a listless, boring franchise, that just doesn't hold my interest from week to week. (I also think the NFL has gotten far more boring in the last few years - it just seems so stale now). I don't have that much invested in them, like you said, so it's easy to put them down.

But who knows, if Bush turns out to be as big a deal in the NFL as he was in college, maybe I'll be more interested - but not as much so if it was Young doing the same.

 

There are folks on each side making assumptions.

If I'm the guy in this unenviable position, I look at the roster top-to-bottom and I look at our offensive scheme and make the best pick to put guys in a position to win. Even if it pisses fans off--they'll all be back if we win, and if we lose (even if I pick "their guy")--they'll be gone.

Funny thing is, I *still* can't arrive at an opinion on this. I just don't know enough. At least I admit it!

 

Again, a RB can make an immediate impact, even in their rookie season. It'll take VY at least a couple of years to progress.

I see our team composed with Bush right now will make our team better for years to come.

BTW, while you're in the discussion about starting over, would you be willing to give up Dunta Robinson and David Carr for the #2 pick? That way, we get both of them. Maybe even for less?

What I'm not interested in is giving away Carr for little to nothing. He's got more value than that, right now. If we draft VY, teams will offer next to nothing for him, especially with his contract. Or we could just let him go.

If you want VY, you're basically willing to give up Bush and Carr to get him. That isn't a wise move, IMO.

 

Did you listen to the interview? Did you read Chance's post? The texans are not drafting a quarterback. There is no other way to put this, I have no idea whether or not they are drafting Reggie Bush, and am pretty sure they don't even know yet, but they are not drafting a quarterback.

 

This is so true. Soo true.

Question to all you future Saint fans (if VY ends up there): What if Ramonce Taylor rushes for 3,000 yards and 25 TD's and wins the Heisman next year on the way to leading UT to another NC, then get's drafted by the Jets? Who will be your favorite team then?

 

Trade the pick!
For D'Brick!
He will make our offense sick! (as in good)

 

Davis and Wells don't have much trade value. Colts and Hawks couldn't get any offers from 2 of the best 3 RBs in the whole league.

Texans could get a 3rd rounder from Dallas on a QB selected with a 6 rounder who didn't even finish playing college ball.

If Carr indeed has less trade value as Davis that means league opinions of him are atrocious and you sure don't want to build a team around him.

You know they carried the comments on Arizona from Kubiak. The key comments on the national circuit is they havn't even seriously evaluated Bush or VY, just had fun watching them.

Do you think once Kubiak goes to study VY and if he concludes VY has the most talent and intangibles wrapped into a QB prospect since John Elway he is going to pass on him.

If you keep Carr and he doesn't become a good NFL QB with that contract he is a huge hindrince to your organization. It isn't like the are not huge risk keeping him. There are no "safe" choices. Given the Texans were 2-14, they should go for the move with the most upside, whatever that ends up being.

I agree to write off the Texans if they don't pick VY is uncool. I won't like it if they go this direction (no VY), particularly if they didn't convince me they fully explored all possible manovers, but nor would I write them off either.

Like I said, the key "news" from Kubiak where I live (AZ) is that they haven't even begun to evaluate the prospects. Sure they like Carr, what else can they say at this point that wouldn't kill his confidence if they want to keep him or trade value if they end up deciding it is best to move on.

 

Absolutely not. A good cornerback is harder to find than a good running back. Just ask the Broncos.

 

Always talk up your assets before you trade em.

Buh bye Carr.

DD

 

A) David Carr has infinitely more trade value than Dominick Davis, regardless of who they draft. Davis might get you a 3rd rounder if you are lucky. Carr should get a 2nd or even possibly a late 1st rounder.

B) Therefore, unless Bush or Davis can be so good as a WR2 every play, it is not helping the team that much in the short term. These are identical backs, not complementary backs

C) The texans really suck. It's a talent issue. They have way too many holes to be anything more than 7-9/8-8 ish right now. They are rebuilding whether the fans like it or not.

D) I hope they are prepared for the mass exodus of their fan base if they don't draft Vince and the team sucks(highly likely) while Vince is an impact player from the moment he stepped on the field. I can't believe a Houston based franchise that has had a chance to get two local studs the last two years, would pass them up both times. They already upset me when Casserly knew he needed LB's and Derrick Johnson slid right into their lap and he traded down to take a guy who didn't even see the field much last year. It's one thing if either of these two players were at positions that couldn't use upgrading, or weren't the cream of the crop at their positions, but they were.

 

Your ability to disregard and see things in a blind manner apalls me. It is overwhelming as well as annoying.

 

I'm not as pissed now as I was when I got back from the press conference but reading you guy's posts was interesting. It's no secret I want VY here because he brings the most good mojo to the team. Him winning here is of paramount importance for this dream to come true. Him coming home can be 'special'. More special than winning without him to me. And I think it would be a healthy debate of 'loyalty' (or lack thereof) when considering that I am willing to cheer for a team and buy their gear and all that based on "my guy" going there. The only ties I have to the Texans are geographic. If Vince comes here then I can add 'emotional' ties.

It wasn't 'winning' that made me a Rockets fan. It was Hakeem Olajuwan coming out of UH. Since then win or lose they have been my team. When Dream left for Canada I stopped liking him becuase it seemed crappy. I liked what he did here but not him. But I was hooked and will root for the Rockets forever. Analogy - If TJ Ford was in my estimation the best basketball player I have ever seen and singlehandedly won March Madness for my horns (whom I am loyal to because I went there) and the Rockets had the first pick and they had an average point guard at the time...nothing spectaculr, just average, I would want them to pick him but their decision would not affect me being a Rockets nut. They could draft anyone and I would be a fan of theirs.

Continuiung on this loyalty theme for the Astros and Oilers their chief of security back in the late 70s was a friend of family so I got to meet a bunch of the players and behind the scenes guys and they were all great so I developed a loyalty to them that still lasts with the Astros and died when the Oiler's left. And speaking of The Oiler's...that was when I realized that in professional sports loyalty is not reciprocated. I am loyal to my friends and family and they are loyal to me. Sports franchises? They are loyal to my money, not me. I am fine with that. They put on great shows and I love the games they play so well so I have no problem watching them and buying their crap and being influenced by the products advertised by them.

So other than a proximity issue what have the Texans done to earn loyalty? I am not going to be blindly loyal at the beginning. The Rockets have earned my blind loyalty. So have the Astros and Longhorns. The Texans have not. Congratulations Texans. You moved down the street from me. This town was like a crack w**** waiting for a $5 rock without the NFL. Legions of fans just said, "Here's my heart Bob...do with it what you will." I didn't do that. I've cheered for them. Wrote songs for them. Promoted the hell out of them on the station. But I have not given them my heart. Some folks have and good for them. To each his own. I have not had that galvanizing moment with them and it would be crushing to me and to a lot of other people if they did not sieze this opportunity and lock us for good. To any of you guys on the bbs that don't get that fine. Your opinions are just as valued.

Don't doubt my loyalty just because it is not in line with yours. I respect your opinion and do not have a single bad thing to say about Reggie Bush or the posters on here that only want whats best for the team. Maybe you have had that galvanizing moment or maybe you threw your heart at Bob when the announcement was made that the NFL was coming back to H-Town. So you have authentic loyalty. I don't yet. It hasn't been earned.

I am just your average, run of the mill DIE HARD sports fan and I am cautious with my heart. The Texans have done NOTHING to hook me. This would hook me. And I want to be hooked.

 

Well spoken my Brother !!

In hoc !!!

Steak sauce and.......

 

Either way, Chance, it doesn't matter. You will be back when we start winning. Vince Young isn't the end all, be all draft pick player. This franchise is just getting started and it has a future. You are CLEARLY overreacting.

 

Im hoping we draft Bush just so we can watch all the Longhorn Fans reach for the purple koolaid and off themselves over the whole thing.

 

I get the impression that you have suffered from bad relationships and have attachment issues.

I'm not as weary. I just want the Houston Texans to kick ass.

 

The Vince fans remind me of Lloyd Christmas from Dumb and Dumber:

"A million to one? So you're telling me there's a chance? Yeah!"

To stir the pot a bit, I think there's a real chance that the Titans won't take Young with the 3rd pick. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Tennessee trades out of the #3 pick, and that Ferguson is the target. The Great Vince Young could go through a little free fall come draft day.

 

If he falls into the lower part of the top ten, he is a major steal. That would be a classic case of teams overvaluing combine stats rather than the player's on field performance.