[Chron] The first question Gary Kubiak will hear today: Who will be the No. 1 Pick?

what in the world does it have to do with maturity? fan support is a function of maturity???

i feel much the same way as Chance. not quite as strong. but i have those same feelings. as i've said before, i was rooting for VY before the Texans ever took the field. i didn't grow up with the Texans. i root for all things Houston...but honestly, VY is more Houston TO ME than the Texans are.

i certainly won't be rooting against the Texans. but it will be different, to say the least. they won't occupy the sole position anymore as far as i'm concerned. there are rockets fans who root for the rocks because of yao. there are rockets fans who root for the rocks because their favorite college player was drafted here some time ago...terrapin fans who rooted for the francis-led rocks, for example. that's how i feel about VY. i pray to God the Saints take him, because they've been a team I've liked since I was a little boy. will be much harder if he falls to the titans...particularly when he comes to town to play the Texans...particularly since i feel the Texans are making such a huge mistake.

Fatty -- the part I don't understand is how you feel so strongly NOW that Carr is worth waiting on. i read some posts of yours from the beginning of the season. i know you said they were tongue-in-cheek...but many of them certainly didn't seem to be. they were well-reasoned, even if i disagreed with them. your questions about him proved to be absolutely true about him in 2005. i can't understand what happened in 2005 that would make you change your opinion about carr so drastically for the better.

This is what you said:

My main problem with Carr, and it's a biggie, is his lack of vision.

Time and time again, I've watched him look at no more than two receivers, and then start running and flailing.

You've got to look at more options if you want to succeed in the NFL.

To those who think that Carr running too soon is due to a porous O-line, that hasn't always been the case. Watch Carr when he has a lifetime back there. He'll either make a run through the line (not around it, mind you) or he'll try to thread the needle to Johnson or whoever else is his flavor of the day.

I watched Banks take over for Carr a couple of years ago. He looked stellar in comparison.

Carr may very well be tough, but he doesn't seem smart enough to ever get beyond the role of a "serviceable" QB.

If we can get decent value for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and bring Ragone or Banks, or hell! Even Symons in.

I'm fully prepared to eat crow if I see marked improvement this year. I doubt that will ever happen.

I'm not saying he can't throw the ball. I'm saying that his decision making is suspect.

Last season was his best season to date, with his avarage completion rate going up from 53% to 61%. But the stat that stands out to me is his TD/INT rate. 16 TDs, 14 INTs. That ain't pretty.

If he can do 20 and 12 this season, I'll stop talking about this. We'll see. I'm doubtful, obviously.

Dude, you were freaking right about ALL of that in 2005. And I'm still saying I think Carr has the potential to be a good QB....but I can't deny that you got the better of that discussion. You said you'd eat crow if you saw improvement....what did you see??? I didn't see improvement. I saw him have his worst season. I saw him unable to make something of nothing. I'm wondering if your flip on this has something to do with the fact you're tired of Longhorn talk.

So am I the ridiculous homer...or the fairweather fan? If I get called the latter, that means I've been labelled both. But I was a Texans season ticket holder.

 

This pick is about who they think will win more games, not about who will be easier to market. Winning, not marketing.

BTW, if you bolt because of a draft pick, you were never a fan to begin with.

 

Kubiak was on PTI earlier. I didn't get too strong of a Reggie vibe from him at all. In fact he made it clear that his thoughts on Carr and the draft are two seperate things.

 

You are seriously willing to base football decisions on how well-listened to programming on a freaking radio station is? Are you KIDDING me???

Yay, Steve McFreakingKinney has a piece of $41t o-line and has sustained a popular radio show for 4 years!!! Whoopty-freaking-dooo! Are you SERIOUS??? I'll trade another hour of fan drivel for one--JUST ONE--10-6 or 11-5 season in the last four years. Or hell, even for a 9-7.

But no, forget the best way to win football games, let's make our pick based on how loud the crowd cheered when someone's grille was on the freaking jumbotron, or based on how many myopians still listen to an average center from one of the worst o-lines in the league who plays for the worst team in the league.

And a word about marketing: the best marketing is winning. End of discussion.

In short, there *might* be a good football reason to select VY over RB, but what you just posted ain't it.

 

it's about hitting the homerun, msn.

drafting bush doesn't guarantee wins

drafting VY doesn't guarantee wins

but of the two, none would be more marketable...none would add more value to the franchise....than winning WITH VY.

 

Chas & Bob M haven't done to well in that department as of yet.

None of us were fans to begin with 5 years ago until the focus groups spit out a logo and a mascot.

 

I think this years Jax Jags would diagree with you.

 

Yes, and it may very well be a Luke Scott 450-foot bomb--in March. What does the club look like 15 games in? Three years from now?

If Kubiak and his people (Reeves, too) decide the best way to plan for the future is VY, I'm all for it. If they decide it's RB, I'm all for it. If they decide it's trade down for D'Brick, I'm all for it. Because they know infinitely more than your average droaning talk show whiner or red-eyed IBB "keyboard quarterback". And yes, I'm taking a swipe at myself with that wisecrack, too.

 

that's what makes this sooo different to me. this isn't the rockets, who i remember watching from DisneyWorld during the 86 finals..when i was 12..with my family..instead of being in the parks. it isn't the astros...who i remember going to see when i was about 7...whose history is burned in my memory like a family member's. it's just not the same. this isn't my father's team.

 

Excellent post.

 

Again, my largest issue is the drop in trade value that looking for trades on Carr would bring us. Call me a fool, but I think a trained monkey could run an offense with AJ and Bush to look for.

I still think that Carr, at best, is a "good" QB. I guess I'd need to see what kind of trades for Carr we could get. One thing is for sure: You don't keep both on the roster. If you're going to trade Carr, you're not going to get much in value for him, mainly due to his contract.

As I stated, this scenario isn't about VY vs. Bush. It's VY vs. Bush and Carr. I don't think he's worth it personally.

That said, if the Texans decide to pick VY, I certainly won't whine about it.

 

What do you want Kubiak to say? "Carr isn't a good QB and we're not even sure if he'll be our guy for the future."

Kubiak/McNair are saying all the right things and that includes praising Carr, they would in no form or fashion say anything bad about Carr. He isn't going to say anything bad or negative about anyone, that would be a stupid thing to do for a first impression. For right now, Carr is their guy, but that doesn't mean things can't change.

Kubiak/McNair have said NOTHING on what they are giong to do in the draft and I'm not saying they won't draft Bush, but giving a player a little praise during your first press conference doesn't mean a whole lot. Wasn't JVG praising Steve's performance in the playoffs right before they traded him for TMac?

 

I disagree. I had been on the edge of my seat since the mid '90s hoping for the NFL to come back to Texas where it belongs (and no, Dallas doesn't count). When the rumors started flying around, and the expansion talks wore on, I was rooting for the greatest city in the world to get an NFL franchise. And when she was awarded that franchise, I was elated--way before the insanely cool logo and marginal nickname came out.

I was "Houston" when "Houston" wasn't cool.

 

i don't know what it looks like. i can't tell you that. but don't think for a second they can either. these are the same experts all around the league who let tom brady slip through the first day. the same experts who rated tony mandarich as a can't miss. the same experts who told us how great ki jana carter would be. they don't know near as much as they'd like you to believe they do. i will not argue that they know less than i know. they know more than i know. but it's all a gamble. if they see a GREAT QB about to happen in david carr...go get it. they can take whoever they want. it's their pick. not mine.

 

I missed it. Can anyone give a recap?

 

OK, 9 times out of 10 winning sells ect... It must be something in the water in Fla. The Marlins have won 2 WSs and they can't draw either.

 

this describes me perfectly.

i still feel the way i do.

 

so your concern is about the drop in trade value of QB that you think at best is good?? that's the concern that keeps you from drafting VY? i don't get it.

 

Great points, all (including the snipped parts).

But a big marketing splash is all worthless if the Texans go on to four *more* losing seasons in a row--like a 9th-inning come-from-behind walk-off bomb in March. Everyone will be juiced for a couple of days, but nobody will give a damn in August if the team is 15 games under .500 and the bum who hit that blast is now hitting .198 with two bits worth of RBIs.

But then again, we just don't know until it's in the rearview mirror.

 

They were grilling him on the VY vs. RB debate.

-Loves both, hasn't started researching it yet
-Knows ab VY craze, going to do whats best for team
-Thinks Carr can be great
-Says Carr and Draft decision are 2 seperate evaluations

The last part led me to believe that if they think VY is that good, they'll take him anyways.