[Chron] The first question Gary Kubiak will hear today: Who will be the No. 1 Pick?

If he's "got me" then why won't he take the bet?

All of the new talk coming out from the scouts and ESPN are saing VY is behind Leinart and Cutler, but yet we still continue to debate on this message board that he may go #1 overall to a team that has a young quarterback whom they selected #1 overall just a few years ago and one whom they said they believe in and look forward to working with? I want what some of you are smoking, my Saturday is pretty boring right now.

 

... And I want some of what you're smoking if you think the Texans have actually made a decision on the #1 pick.

 

That's what I'm thinking also. I heard somewhere that he is at 208 now.

If at USC's pro day he is 5'10 185 the Texans will pass on him.

 

I don't think they have decided either. But I do think they have decided that they aren't using it on a QB. Do you not agree?

 

John Mcclain on 610 friday said he was now about 208 and that his "biceps were about to pop"

5'10, 185? Hilarious. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

 

Not according to the insiders actually calling the game today. Both listed Cutler third. You've got a couple of scouts here and there trying to make an outlandish prediction to gain fame over (if they're right) by praising Cutler, and in your world, that equates to all of the new talk?

Hilarious. Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

I have sources of where I come up with my stuff. Go to www.espn.com (front page) http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2307306

Listen to sportsradio 610 or 790. The "old talk" had VY and Leinart as the top QB's. The "new talk" has cutler up there. Do you need any more sources or will this do?

Nice try Cat.

 

I'd be more interested in leg and waist thinkness and strength (crazy outlandish squats) as an RB.

Bush is really hard to catch (big understatment), but I didn't see him break many tackles of guys as big or bigger than him. Lower body power is going to be more critical to whether he can excell between the tackles and finnish runs in the NFL.

 

I agree with all that. And I agree that the Texans have a decision to make on whether or not they want to use this pick on Reggie Bush. They may decide to not use it on Bush, but they aren't using it on a QB.

 

I have listened to 610 and 790 this week. Most of the talk is still about Vince and most still consider him the top QB in the draft. ESPN.com? There's one line where it says "See why he might be the top QB in the NFL draft." Nowhere does it say anything about Vince dropping. Nowhere is there a statement that a consensus of scouts have Cutler ahead of Vince. I need actual sources, not generalized crap that doesn't really say much of anything.

 

Please click this link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2307306

I'm not saying this guy is right or wrong, but this is my source. Please find a source that says Bush is 5'10, 185 and we'll be even. If you aren't an insider, you can still get the jist of the article.

Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job.

However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April.

I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work.

 

That's quite a bold statement that you can't prove.

Sorry, but the odds are a lot better than you think they are about them drafting a QB. Why?

A) Vince Young is a very special prospect, who happens to be from Houston.

B) David Carr has the most trade value of anyone outside of maybe Andre/Dunta on the whole roster.

C) What did you expect Kubiak to say at the presser? David, you suck? That would have divided the lockerroom in a heartbeat. Plus, if they do want to deal him, they want to talk good about him to improve his reputation within NFL circles.

 

I'd say Cutler has about the chance to pass Vince Young as DeAngelo Williams does of Reggie Bush. Kiper (from your ESPN source) said Williams and DBrick were the best two at the Senior Bowl, not Cutler. "Cutler still needs to work on his accuracy, but he displayed a terrific arm and good mobility. Cutler solidified himself as an early to mid first-rounder."

Pundits are mostly just trying to get their stuff read and create a stir. Mort said Cutler will go before VY and ML.


trey: (baltimore, MD):: Hey Mel do you think Jay Cutler is a better prospect then Matt or Vince?

Mel Kiper: You have 32 teams in the NFL so you have 32 opinions. We are still about 3 months away from the draft. That is an eternity. We haven't even had the Senior Bowl game yet. Gameday is very important. Plus we have the combine and individual workouts to go. Keep all that in perspective. If this was April 20, we could have a more definite answer. But right now, nobody knows how the QBs stack up. This notion that everything is set in stone is ridiculous. My feel is I've been down here all week and watched every practice. He had a good week. On Jan. 16 I had him going 9th to Detroit. So it's no revelation that he is a good prospect. I had Leinart going No. 2 and Vince Young going No. 3. My rating as of right now is Leinart, Young, Cutler.

Mel Kiper: I know Mort has Cutler as his No. 1 QB. Some teams may agree with him. That's what makes this so much fun. We're looking at the same players but have different opinions!



So well done indeed Cat in 'keeping it real' about the buzz.

 

Let ESPN hype their workout warrior QB, while a smart GM takes the guys who did it on the field: ie Vince and Leinart. Teams **** themselves over combine numbers/all star game workouts and let the real players drop. See Terrell Suggs, Derrick Johnson, Dwight Freeney, etc.

From all reports, Cutler has looked bad today in the Senior Bowl as well.

 

Exactly Reggie. Let's just pretend for a second you are Kubiak and you absolutely want Carr gone (to draft VY, ML, Cutler or whomever). Again just pretend for a 2nd this is what you want to do. What would you be saying publically?

 

So... you've got one scout on the record supporting your case. Wow, my apologies... your case is rock solid now. No, I don't particularly care about the "a bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing..." either. Anyone can (and they do) exaggerate claims such as that on a regular basis.

That's your one source. My source is Mel Kiper and essentially every draft insider on television, radio and the internet that all have Young projected higher in the draft than Cutler. But, since you're so sure that all of my information is old, and things have turned, how about we make a bet? Money, signature, whatever, I don't care. If Leinart and Cutler are both a tier ahead of Young now, certainly Cutler will be drafted ahead of Vince on draft day, correct? If you truly believe that case, I'll bet you that Vince goes ahead of Cutler on draft day.

Also, I didn't say Bush was 5'10, 185, did I?

 

Don't even think he's a workout warrior. I could be mistaken, but Mortenson, mr. sec himself had an article that said "don't listen to the scouts down play Cutler,etc." Supposedly, he had a few passes sail out of bounds this week.



If you want to talk workout warriors, Charlie Batch and Akili Smith are two names right off the bat.

 

By virtue of the fact that all colleges exaggerate the size of their players in the media guides, numbnuts.

Did you just start watching football yesterday? It seems that way. Or else you're just an embittered hanger on....tough to tell, real tough....

 

Good stuff with Kubiak on Extra Points. Bob Allen asked him about what he has been saying about Carr indicate that he wouldn't draft VY. Kubiak said, I don't think so, the draft is a seperate decision, but I feel like Carr can be a top QB in this league.

Sounds like VY is still a possibility.

 

Are you serious? If you are, I think you're over-reacting a bit.

numbnuts, embittered hanger on? This is great stuff. I don't believe that Cutler will go before Young and Lienart, but I'm not going to freak out over it.