[Chron] The first question Gary Kubiak will hear today: Who will be the No. 1 Pick?

ok, now it's insane. earlier it was immature. so i'm insanely immature. or childishly insane. or something like that.

fortunately those who would choose reggie are smarter, saner and far more mature human beings...and i'm sure they're looking out for me.

 

Thanks.

Not exactly going for that point, in fact, I hate it when people compare the Ricky Williams-Donovan McNabb draft to this one.

I see very little similarities between them..

All I'm saying is, if you're going to be so brash as to kick this franchise to the curb over this one pick, then don't come crawling back when the good times are rolling.. that is cheap and shallow.. it ticks me off when any fans do that, pro, college, rivalry team, or my OWN team..

 

hakeem olajuwon made rockets fans out of people who didn't give a damn about the rockets. part of that was that he was a local basketball product. a big part of that for some.

earl campbell gave that franchise an identity. he made oilers fans out of people who previously didn't give a damn about pro football.

the texans are a faceless team with zero identity past their own futility. i'm saying VY has the potential to be that kind of special talent...on and off the field. i think i'd choose that above a running back, however special we might think he is. and i know i'd choose that over david carr.

 

I totally agree.

I'm not going to pretend to be an NFL expert and say I know which player will have more success, or which can help the Texans most. Quite frankly, no one here knows that.

However, I seriously seriously doubt the Texans, as a business, are going to make their decision with any of the "hometown" stuff in mind. If they pick Vince Young it will be because he is the best player for their team, and it will have nothing to do with the fact he grew close by.

 

But that dude from china has done something more special than winning. He has activated the Asian population of this city. And Vince could do something more special than winning. He could activate a bunch of demos in the city.

 

Judging by attendance #s and local voices, people still didn't give a damn about the Rockets until they won two titles.

See above. Campbell's arrival happened to coincide with the team's winning ways. If someone else besides Cambell was at RB, and then team still acheived success, the town would have still been gaga over the Oilers.

Well first, for me, the team has an identity. They are Houston's football team and thats why I personally, support and root for them.

If the Texans become a playoff caliber team, start winning, and Carr, Bush or whoever steps into the role of perenial stud, they will get support from the fans. This town has never failed to support a winner, regardless of who the players are.

Do you really think that if the Texans end up a winner w/o VY, that every single VY fan who is holding his/her support hostage, won't become a Texans fan (assuming they were one in the first place)?

 

This thread might as well be merged into the other one at this point. Its the same old shait.

The draft couldn't come soon enough, imho.

 

Those of you saying the only reason many want VY is because of his UT ties and they wouldn't want him if he went to FSU, do you believe that the same people would not have wanted Vick if he was coming out this year? I mean, he didn't go to UT.

I guarantee you if it was Michael Vick in the draft instead of Vince Young, many of these people wanting Young would want Vick for the same reasons.

 

But I doubt they would be holding their loyalty hostage.

 

I honestly don't think so. Sure, some people would want to get the QB, but there would not be nearly as many pissed off people as there are now.

 

Little hard to make that comparison... different draft, different players, different games..

And I don't think many people would want Vick, unless he went to UT and won the national championship..

 

Maybe not, but that's not what people are saying. I hear the argument everyday that the only reason people want VY is because he went to UT. Maybe that's why their so passionate about that, but that's not the main reason they want to draft him. It's only human nature to feel that way when a player of that caliber is from your hometown and played for your favorite college team.

But again, look at how many people were pissed off at the Rockets not taking Lewis. People are still b****ing nearly eight years later. Would they be b****ing if he went to Oak Hill Academy? Probably not. However, the main reason we all wanted Lewis is because we all thought he was going to be a great player, which he has proven.

 

Yeah, you're right. No one would have wanted Vick, a player that was one of the most highly touted incoming rookies in recent memory, because he didn't go to UT.

I'm not sure why I decided to start posting about this again.

 

No kidding, hence my feeble (and failed) attempts to derail.

 

What're you up to tonight? I'm being kicked out of the house, so let's drink.

 

But the people that are b****ing have been supporting the team the whole team, which is precisely my point. I don't think the Rockets lost any of their legit fan base to the Sonics.

I don't think anyone is saying no one has a right to their opinion about who the Texans should draft or even to be pissed off if they don't draft who they want. The problem comes when those same people also say they will no longer support the Texans if they don't.

 

The comparison you're trying to draw is riddled with complexities..

You didn't really define the scenario, so I just had to assume Vick's performance via 1999 vs. Reggie Bush circa 2005

Then you subtract the UT fans, and the "homegrown" appeal.. and well, I can't say Vick wins that fight.

But hey, maybe you had something different in mind.

 

this thread is getting ridunkulous.

 

That was exactly my scenario. I think you're forgetting how highly touted Vick was coming out of college.

 

So, you haven't heard anyone say the only reason VY supporters want to draft him is because he's from UT?