That I agree with. Keeping them loaded and ready is fine if you live alone with no kids - but to throw them behind the door the way you would an umbrella when you KNOW there are kids/teens around... Again, not that it will ever deter anyone from being a dumbass - but there's no way you can let this idiot go unpunished for his (should be) criminal negligence, while you're charging the kid with murder.
Some jail time probably but tried for murder seems a little excessive. Yes, guns DO kill people and there should be some law that says you can't just keep them sitting around loaded... BUT, what if the older brother had just pulled into the driveway, jumped out of his car real quick to go get something outside, his younger brother being all cool and driving and whatnot jumps in, drives a block and runs the girl over. Would the older brother be liable in that case as well for murder charges. The analogy isn't perfect, but I can see how it's applicable. Sad stuff.
Sometimes horrible accidents just happen. I saw in the news where someone had two little boys and he got out of the car with the three-year-old. They were just going to run inside real quick. He left the one-year-old in the car and, unfortunately, left the engine running. The kid was playing with the gearshift and put the car into reverse, when it backed over the other kid and killed him. OK, lesson learned, don't leave a kid in a running vehicle by himself... but still. It's hard to have 100% good judgment 100% of the time. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Very sad for this family.
must have been a older car. I havent seen a newer car yet that didnt require pressing the brake to release the gearshift out of park. kinda difficult for a young child to press the brake and move the shifter. at least in this case..the manufacturers have done something to help prevent accidents like you describe. wish the same could be said for firearms. just hd the occasion to speak to my duaghter some more about this issue....still think she doesnt quite grasp the gravity of the situation....I tried to explainto her that guns can kill you dead..no extra lives...no replays...it isnt a game. practically begged her to not do anything that would force me to have to bury her...the worst thing in the world for a parent....to have to bury their child. think I went to far with a 12 yr old?
Umm, so what exactly could gun manufacturers do to "prevent" these accidents that would not make the product itself useless for its intended purpose? They already provide FREE locks with the damn things when you buy them. They already have the manuals chock full of warnings & graphic illustrations on what to, & what not to do. They offer free gun owner's education classes... I mean wtf can they do? Make it so only the one gun owner's handprint can "arm" it - Judge Dredd style? What happens then in an emergency - if your wife or son needs to use it? Should they just chunk it at an intruder? I understand being upset, but again, this is yet another are where personal responsibilty AND education are the main factors at play. You can't legislate intelligence.
We require anyone who wants to drive to take drivers ed. There should be mandatory gun ed that would have to be presented before anyone purchases a gun or participates in any controlled gun activity (hunting, target shooting, etc.). There should be stiff penalties for anyone who does not comply. I realize such laws might not have stopped this situation, but it also might have been that extra ounce of prevention that would have caused the people here to act a little smarter. I also wish we had gun registration, but most gun owners seem to think this would be the end of the world. Pick your battles, I guess.
I could have been shot that way, but was very blessed. In 10th or 11th grade, one of my best friends was jacked for his Jordans on the way home from school. Lord knows why his older brother bought him sone rinky-dink handgun. My friend was showing me the gun and playing with it, waving it in my face/around me. I kept telling him to stop and he persisted that the safety was on and kept playing. I then pushed the gun away and it went off (bullet went through the wall and lodged in the bathroom wall). He started to cry and gave the gun back to his brother. I got lucky.... Prays to the girls family....
did I suggest legislating ANYTHING????? I expressed a desire that I wished that there wwas a way to make it difficult for children to operate them. That wish stems from a desire to see an end to senseless accidents that cost our children their lives... Do you have a problem with that desire? Somehow or another...I bet you do.....damn gun nuts are all alike...."we dont care how many ppl die...just dont legislate OUR RIGHTS to own things that are designed to take people's lives." screw this...I avoid D&D for just this reason....ALl I asked was a simple question about whether or not I went to far in explaining to my 12 yr old that guns in the hands of children equals death...and .....ah screw it...why am I explaing myself to you?
ban the guns. all the meat is available at the supermarket and there is no need to get it shot in the backcountry. Seriously, as long as guns can be bought that easily this will happen over and over again. Many people will not believe it, but it is fact. If guns would be available very easy where I live, I would surely have bought me gun someday. But for what??? In normal life there is no need that normal citizens should have a gun. But people will only learn once one of their darlings is shot to death.
Question, I really don't know... Is 16 too young to have a gun around the house kept unlocked? In 1-2 years this "kid" could be in the Army etc., many his age have been.
I found out last night this happened right in the neighborhood I grew up in. My sister knows the family. She told me there were not very good role models in the house hold and that the boy that did it was kind of a trouble maker. I still feel bad for the kid that did it though. Man to just watch something like that happen in front of your face is terrible enough. To be the cause of it makes everything just 10 times worse. May God be with them all.
Reminds me of the time I went with a friend to his family's deer lease with some strangers when I was 16 or 17 years old. I had shot guns before then but always handguns and rarely. I mostly had used bb/pellet, shotguns, and .22 handguns. I had never shot one of the more powerful deer rifles. So, this avid hunter/stranger asks me if I've ever shot one before. I said "no" and he came over with a rifle to give me a lesson on how to handle it, etc. . Well, the dumbass accidentally discharged the rifle not knowing it was loaded and lucky for everyone it shot up in the air. He had absolutely zero control of the rifle as he wasn't even holding it in a firing position. For some stupid-ass reason, he decided to pull the trigger thinking the chamber was empty. Afterwards, my friend, his Dad, and some other people were just shaking their heads wondering what the hell that hunter thought he was doing. I could have just as easily had my head blown off I imagine. It freaked the hell out of me, though. I saw my life flash before my eyes. It was one of those 30.06(or whatever) rifles. I ended up shooting the rifle later. So, that was my experience around rifles. Suffice to say...I don't own a gun now and I'm not sure I want to. I've thought about buying a .12 gauge shotgun for home protection but, so far, I have not. As accidents tend to happen around guns, I think their more of a risk than a home intruder scenario. Even alone one can mishandle a gun and end up dead.
i didn't realize this happens so often and easily. i'm glad that both of you were able to live through that and are fine. i can imagine it be scary as **** tho.
LMFAO - so b/c I ask you to expand on your line of thinking I'm a "gun nut?" Overreact much? Here's exactly what you said that I was replying to: " havent seen a newer car yet that didnt require pressing the brake to release the gearshift out of park. kinda difficult for a young child to press the brake and move the shifter. at least in this case..the manufacturers have done something to help prevent accidents like you describe. wish the same could be said for firearms." You are clearly implying here that while auto manufacturers have done "something," as you put it, that gun manufacturers have done nothing. So I in turn asked you what you think gun manufacturers should/could do then. Instead of replying rationally, you call me a "gun nut" and go off on a tangential rant. Man - I really don't miss the D&D...
