Chron:Rockets want Yao to have ball at right time and place

Difficult? Why can all the other teams do it then? S.A. has no problem getting it to Duncan? Indiana and Jermaine Oneal? Shaq, granted is a bad example due to his size, but Duncan is exactly like Ming. Kevin Garnett? Webber and Divac? Nowitski is always posting up?

Sorry for all the question marks, but it really shouldn't be as confusing as they make it out to be, zone defense or not. Does it take work and practice? Yes. But it is much easier then driving up against 3 people and making a circus shot.

What's more, even some of the successful plays put in for this purpose at the beginning of hte season, the team just runs like crap now. The double high pick play used ot get Yao the ball 4 feet from the basket right in the lane. Now, the initial pick is run horribly by Francis, the PF has problems getting the ball at the top of the key, when he does it is usually swung to the wing and given to Yao who has been pushed out a little to close to his normal posting spot anyway.

What about the excuse that they've tried to run Yao off a pick across the lane down low but it "just doesn't work". What the hell does that mean? How can it not work? As long as you got players who understand what a basic pick is, it should either free Yao up closer to the basket, or draw two men to him in confusion, meaning the picker is now open - swing the ball.

What is becoming obvious to me is that the reason it is apparently hard to get Yao the ball in the post for this team is the same reason it's hard for them to do anything else properly. They just don't understand basic fundamentals. Will someone please teach them the little things, instead of working on apparently complex manners of getting Yao the ball int eh post the exact same way every time for hours each practice.

 

Those guys all know how to get position. Does Brian Grant push any of those guys out to the 3-pt line when they try to post up?

 

"Those guys all know how to get position. Does Brian Grant push any of those guys out to the 3-pt line when they try to post up?"

Actually Brian Grant never PUSHed Yao to the 3 point line. It will be stupid if he tried to do that against any other team. If you look at the film again, it was when Brian tried to front Yao but Yao won't let him front for fear of not seeing the ball.

I was actually laughing when Brian does that and is actually successful. To me, that was the absloute insult to the Rockets inability to pull off a lob pass.

It usually take both Yao and his defender (behind Yao) are set in stone for a couple of seconds, after couple of more seconds for our guards to mentally prepared, then they will do the entry pass.

If you play basketball, you would know what Brian did showed his complete dis-regard to our inability to pull a lob pass.

 

That's part of it, but it's more that they don't simply run a go down to the block, turn around and try to hold your ground for 10 seconds before the guard gets you the ball post up play.

 

Watch the freaking games (no pun intended, ). Was Yao really got pushed out to the 3-pt line. He did have some trouble posting down low sometimes. But there were times just as often that our guards simpily ignored or didnt know how to pass it to Yao, especially Cat, either during penetration, PnR, or even when Yao did establish in the low post. Was Big Ben able to push Yao out that far from the paint, what about Robinson, Duncan, AD, and all the others. As a matter of fact, Yao has become more and more effective in establishing in the low post. In addition, we all know Yao has a great range. How come we dont set up any plays for Yao to take an open 12-15 foot face-up jumper. For the few open jumpers that Yao did get to take, and by the way they were all the results of broken plays, he knocked them down cold. Even Bradley took more outside shots than Yao during their last encounter. Lately our guards, especially SF, couldnt hit a damn thing from the perimeter. We might as well let Yao do that rather.

 

Exactly. Is Mobely left handed? I notice he never looked to his right on PNR when Ming's on his right hand side. PNR to him is pretty simple, go to the hoop even the roller is open. I am not arguing he is selfish or not, but he gotta change his mindset playing PNR. Last a game or two, I did notice Francis started to look for YM in the PNR and he passed him a couple of times for easy baskets. As we could see, it was truly not easy to pass when you are not sure wheter you should go to the hoop or pass, but at least Steve starts to have this mindset.

 

This is funny. So you have to ba a eagle to be able to spot a open man? What angle. You need a special angle to spot a open roller? This is funny.

 

I noticed that Duncan would often pass out to the entry passer and reajust his position
, then gets the ball back at a better postion. Why cant we do that? We are not even trying to do that.

 

So, you would have to conclude that Van Gundy can't coach under the new rules, too, since he was the most adamant about mentioning the rules changes.

 

I agree with feishen that Mobley is having problems not finding Yao over his right shoulder. What I'm envisioning is when Mobes gets around the PnR corner and accelerates into the lane often getting ahead of Yao's pop and dive to the rim. Mobes often passively moves the ball to the weakside corner man when he can't finish, and passively curls back around. That accelerated step around the corner by Mobes is when Yao is often open for a blind, Mobley hook pass over his head (thrown like a hook shot to a 7'5 target). If Mobley could learn to feel the defense, he'd know Yao is open without even looking.

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You forgot to add the Rockets and Yao Ming. He gets 30+ entries per game. He just cannot do as much with it as Duncan, Webber, Garnett, Shaq and Nowitski.

You can't just take comments from Van Gundy, CD and Rudy about difficulty and Yao Ming getting stripped (for his problem with getting the ball high and his strength) and conclude that Yao doesn't get the ball. You read that into the article. That article did not say anywhere that it is a problem. They said that it is not as easy as it looks, and that Yao and the passer can improve in subtle ways to increase usefulness of each entry.

You totally ignored the comments by CD that the team is succeeding in getting him the ball. The point is that some defenses (Boston/Miami) give him problems even if he gets the ball. That's the only difference with us and Duncan as far as counting entries goes.

Plus, guys like Nowitski, Webber and Duncan get the ball at the high elbow or high wing a lot and do more with it than Yao right now.

 

Touch, not entry pass.

By ending the article in a Ewing quote, I think we understand where Jonanson's position is on this issue.

 

I have yet to see a guard throw a wide open Yao Ming a pass off the pick n roll top of the key left side set. I hate that set. Yao is not a threat there. Put a small forward and Eddie up there.

I don't buy all that timing and it's tough crap. They are supposedly some of the best pro guards. Get him the damn ball.

Yao does have to work on his one on one moves. I think he looks for the pass a little too much because he hasn't mastered some dominant one on ones. Somebody piss him off so he'll start taking it out on everybody.

 

Is that by your count, or are you assuming that I'm counting more than entry passes? I'm not counting when Yao steps out to the key to help swing the ball around. Hell, I'm not even counting the true PnRs. I am talking about our low post plays as we've heard described by Rudy, and how many times the entry pass connects.

 

That is one thing that really, really bothers me...we never let him re-set off a bad entry or weak position...It seems that when we do go to him it's always a one shot-deal, either he shoots, or he doesn't see it again. What that teaches defenses is that you only have to try and deny him his initial set-up position, and then you're done, and what it teaches him is that if he's not in good position, he either has to force a bad shot, or say goodbye to the ball..So far he has been doing the latter...

 

I didn't count every game. But in the detroit game I went to see in person, there definite wasn't 30+ successful entry passes.

And my poor reading skill tell me both RT and CD were talkin gabout "touches" in the Chron article. maybe you have better insight in interpreting the words....

"Who's totally covered out on the floor the whole time?" Dawson said. "Everybody is open sometimes, most of the time. You can take anybody on any team and point out when they're open and don't get the ball. Rudy and the coaching staff are trying to get him 30 touches a game, and they've been pretty successful.

 

Yeah, MacBeth, it bothers me too. Even Oneal tries to get better position by doing that. Actually I think Ming is doing a good job down low there for the position he is getting. I dont think Shaq can do much better if he cant readjust his position.

 

Actually the article addresses your wonderment about that technique..any casual Rockets fan would know, the rules were changed because RudyT used that method so much with the Dream and Barkley.
I dont know if Rudy needs advice about methods of coaching, but I think he would get a good laugh, reading posts such as yours.

But........ comparing Yao Mings post play with that of Shaq,,thats nuts.

 

Just because Yao's weaker than Shaq, he needs more help from his teammates posting up, namely re-entry pass. Even Shaq needs help. But we give no help to Yao.