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Chron: Rockets tuned in to Redick

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by mikezamir, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. DaDakota

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    The Dallas Mavericks just started 2 guys 6'3 or so in the backcourt....CASE CLOSED !!

    Redick it is !!

    DD
     
  2. krosfyah

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    Sorta true (Stockton was great setting picks) but the point that treams can simply rotate somebody else other than the guy covering Redick is silly. JVG will draw up plays to ensure the guys you want open do, in fact, get open.

    JJ is great hitting shots off the dribble. So let TMac set the pics and have him roll to the basket. Stay w/ Redick and leave TMac open?

    When was it proven that not double teaming Yao is a good idea? I don't ever recall that strategy working. I recall several teams that tried and changed their tune by halftime. The new improved Yao will absolutely DESTROY anybody that single covers him including Shaq.
     
  3. JBIIRockets

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    I don't disagree with you very often DA, but Redick doesn't have the driving ability of either Harris or Terry. Redick would be a mistake, rockets need a player who can do more than shoot.

    and with this post, I declare that am anti-redick
     
  4. DaDakota

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    He doesn't need to drive, just hit the midrange shot, and the long range shot and make good passes.

    Watch those videos, he is a lot more than just a regular player.

    DD
     
  5. Yao#1

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    Yea no way a team would any team ever give up much to move up a few spots. I mean there was no way Houston would trade picks 13, 18 and 23 in the 2001 draft just to move up six spots and grab the guy picked 7. Crazy things can happen on draft day if a team falls in love with a guy. I bet the rox would like RJ right about now, and Im thinking the bulls probably wish they had Elton Brand over Chandler and the knicks the #2 pick rather then eddy curry.

    Imagine if one of the "top six" talent drops to number 8. Say Gay or Aldridge plummets on draft day. Orlando may be desperate enough. The trade would essentially work out as Redick and Darko to Hou, and Gay and Howard to Orlando. Orlando may love Darko, but Dwight Howard is going to eat up the bulk of the PF min, and neither him or Darko should be a center.

    I know people will argue that if Gay or Aldridge or one of the top six falls to us, we need to draft them, but i say go for depth and upgrade two positions instead of just one.
     
  6. Outlier

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    Those are picks being exchanged, none of those involved trading a albatross contract in Howard to the other team. Orlando would never do it, period.
     
  7. krosfyah

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    Unfortunately for you then, JVG is not in the anti-Redick camp. His priority 1-3: We need a shooter.

    If they can get a more verisitile player that can ALSO shoot, then absolutely. But the biggest mistake would be to take a "versitile" player who is an average shooter.

    If Gay or Morrison isn't there at #8, I'm fine with Redick.
     
  8. Mav-Hater

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    what does any of that have to do with what YOU said? Stephen A. calls everyone not in the eastern conference soft. Most of the people calling Reddick slow and unathletic are WHITE. I happen to think he is athletic and I am half black/indian. Where does that leave you? It leaves you making generalizations about your fellow board members most of us on here don't want to see. I would love to see Reddick over Brewer and have said so many times. Anybody who knows anything about basketball and the offense we play would. What it shows is there are allot of people on this board who don't know jack about basketball that make allot of generalizations and there is no color barrier for lack of knowledge and no place for the people that can't see past it and think their lack of knowledge is motivated by something else.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    While you can't prove that race plays a role in people's opinions, it sure seems like it does in the NBA.

    Even Larry Bird says that he was pissed when the other team put a white guy on him on defense, said it was disrespecting his game.

    It seems to be that the perception is that african americans are better athletes, and it seems to be prevelant a lot in the NBA.

    I believe some people look at Redick and see a white guy that can shoot, and think he is a below average athlete, though the combine scores prove that he is an above average athlete.

    Oh well, it doesn't really matter what color his skin is, if he can play...he can play, and I think Redick can play.


    DD
     
  10. dream2franchise

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    I've really tried to avoid adding to this post because i just want it to die.

    But to say anybody who would want Brewer over Redick doesn't know anything about Basketball, which is what you're saying, is just as narrow minded as the people who generalise players based on their race.

    I'd prefer Brewer over Redick, i think they'd both be a great fit and i'd be happy with either one. I just depends on what you want out of that SG spot.

    I prefer Brewer because of his size, PG ability, slashing, defense and ability to create his own shot.

    I like Redick for his dead eye shooting, high IQ and what he brings to the team from an offensive standpoint.

    Brewer isn't a light's out shooter, but Redick can't bring the same things Brewer does either.

    Both guys would fit fine. Everybody has their own vision of the team...nothing wrong with that.

    Bottom line, we just need talent.

    I'm not replying to anything said after this, i'm tired of the subject and i can't wait for the draft so we can move onto something else.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I completely agree with this post.....I just happen to want Redick over Brewer, but if the Rockets draft Brewer, then I will get behind him.

    DD
     
  12. Outlier

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    Good for you, DD. I don't think the same can be said for RD though... it looks like he lives with Redick and is going to die with Redick.
     
  13. Panda

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    I think Brewer can help the team too, I just like Redick more.

    One thing I'd like to add, Redick can drive, just not as good as some of the Dallas players. However, the Dallas players don't just drive past defenders for a layup. They often shoot mid range jumpers off dribble, with the help of already disrupted defense(on the Rockets it'd be 111's work) or screens (which Redick is good at). One can count how many times Josh Howard and Jason Terry do that and see what I mean. Driving to the basket is just part of their game, shooting off dribble is another. Redick has shown he's good at shooting off dribble with that mid range jumper.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    The thing that Redick does is drive to set up a small mid range jumper....he would be very effective taking one or two dribbles and then shooting.

    He is going to be a terrific NBA player.


    And for those people saying we got to match up with Dallas....

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH !

    Build around Yao and Tmac....and we can win it all, just like the Heat, Spurs, Bulls, Lakers, Rockets...etc..etc..etc...

    DD
     
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    It is funny to see posts that say we can't take Redick because he can't cover <insert player here>. Who does the other team have that is going to cover TMac? Who does the other team have that is going to cover Yao? There is no team in the NBA that plays straight man to man defense with no help, the top offensive players are just too good to be guarded by one person. The new rules that disallow hand checking just make it even more impossible to guard someone 1-on-1. People keep comparing Brewer to Josh Howard, and Howard let Wade average 34.7 ppg in the finals (6 ppg above what the league allowed him). Kobe/Wade/Pierce/whoever everyone is so worried about Redick guarding will be doubled no matter who we draft. That is the new NBA.
     
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    He'd be great at running the "Stop and Pop" Calvin Murphy ALWAYS seemed to be calling for.
     
  17. DribbleHooper

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    Hear, hear.
     
  18. BigM

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    man i would be out of mind happy next year to hear calvin murphy say "jj with the stop and pop! bill that's what i'm talking about!"
     
  19. Gutter Snipe

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    I truly think that if Redick was black, we wouldn't have been hearing about how unathletic he is. Instead, we'd probably be discussing his character issues with the DUI, and how he has been known to be drinking a lot since he was a freshman.

    Personally, I think that his upside is a modern-era Calvin Murphy (Calvin + a 3pt shot). Bigger, because at Calvin's size he wouldn't get drafted, but a great shooter and excellent FT% shooter. It's interesting that we went 50-odd pages before someone mentioned Calvin. Something a lot of people don't seem to understand is that a player with Redick's quick release and mid-range game doesn't have to be the fastest player in the league to score. Players will respect his shot and fall for the various head-fakes, opening up the stop-and-pop which is a really high percentage shot.

    Honestly, I just don't understand how you could pass up the best shooter in the draft from 30 to 8 feet from the basket when you look at all of the open shots the Rockets generate. JVG must have felt like killing himself watching all of the wide-open bricks this year - I know I did.

    JVG talks about disruptors - players who change the way their opponents must defend. We already have 2 of them - a luxury most teams don't have. It's about time that we got some players who will benefit from the disruption. Get Redick, get Mike James back with the full MLE, sign Padgett with the Veterans Exception (if we have one, I'm pretty sure we do), and we will be a team to be reckoned with.

    We don't have to match up with Dallas - let them worry about matching up with us. :cool:
     
  20. gucci888

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    ^ There's probably a reason why no one has compared Hall of Famer Calvin Murphy to JJ Redick. Yes, JJ Redick can shoot, but he doesn't have anywhere near the quickness or the ball handling abilities Calvin had.

    BTW, race just might be the weakest argument for JJ Redick.
     

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