That was Casey Jacobson in case you didn't know coming out. Also let check out some recent guy drafted at 8 or lower. Kobe Bryant,Tracy McGrady,Amare,Marion,Paul Pierce, Dirk, meed any more? What about even Larry hughes,Joe johnson, Tayshaun,Jefferson need any more guys picked at 8 or lower?
Please address the correct poster. I have never responded to you in regards to your Redd comparison. You seriously need to stop comparing Redick to all-star caliber players. You do yourself and Redick a disservice.
Yeah we already had like 50 pages of showing that it was really a myth that he was way undersized and unathletic, in fact it's pretty much been exposed now. All this does is go under the 100 or so other posts that the experts are usually wrong not right. Don't worry though the Rockets aren't going to draft off 5 minutes glance at some scouting report.
Okay. Wrong. Arenas was never, ever considered slow or unathletic. He's a rich man's Steve Francis. Before he developed superior shooting and ball-handling skills, speed and athleticism were what he did have going for him. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/gilbertarenas.htm Read the first line! Arenas is a fine athlete, and the primary knock on him was his size. Even now, Arenas will never be a Lebron/Mcgrady-level player, because he doesn't have the skills to be a Nash/Kidd point guard, and he doesn't have the size to be a Kobe. Now...please don't bring up some workout numbers to convince your opponents that Arenas and Redick are comparable athletically, because unless something dramatic has happened between the NCAA tournament and now, they aren't. Workout numbers mean even less in the NBA than they do in the NFL, and we all know Jerry Rice's 40 yard dash time.
Like I have said over and over, Redick is being stereotyped. AGAIN they are just wrong. Yet again it's already been shown he is not unathletic and too slow. I don't see anyone for Redick saying Brewer can't pass or he can't dunk or whatever. Some people just can't get that Redick is NOT Casey Jacobsen or Steve Kerr or whatever. Wonder why no one broguht up Kareem Rush? Rush sucks, he's exactly what you claim redick is, but no one even dares bring up that one-dimensional bust because he's black. It's always some white stiff redick is compared to. Seriously, the kid got game, and alot of people are just gonna be downright embarrased by this thread once he starts playing.
That's just garbage. Everybody knows this draft has a whole pack of players from 7 to about 15 that are basically interchangable as far as talent/abilities/potential. For you guys to keep saying that J.J. is not worthy of the 8 pick but somehow is worthy of 15 or whatever but would be such a huge reach at 8 is just unreasonable in this draft. J.J. at 8 is no more a reach than Brewer or Carney or the Simmons kid or Marcus Williams or Shelden or O'Bryant at 8. They've all got weaknesses/question marks and they've all got some questionmarks. If we draft at #8, there is going to be a whole pile of players there that are basically in the same group. We should pick the player that fits our needs best, providing the top 6 are gone. This whole argument that J.J. isn't good enough for #8 but somehow Brewer and Carney are is ridiculous. You want it to be ridiculous to liken J.J. to any other players. Fine. Don't liken Brewer, Carney or anybody else to any other players. Just go by what you see is what you get. Stop the nonsense of "J.J. isn't worth the eighth pick". It's absurd. In this draft, he is just as worthy of the #8 pick as any player that will be available outside of the top 6. Some of you guys actually think he is not worthy of a first round pick. That's insane and shows a true bias nonintellectual view.
How many times do people have to explain that the scouting reports on the net are just someone's opinion? When Arenas was drafted they even said he fell that low because most GM's just thought he was too slow. So some scouting report you find on the internet disagreed, it was right. Isn't that MY ENTIRE point? YES I'll just answer my own question that's the whole point.
You can compare JJ to players, just keep it fair. I think Hornacek is a decent comparison, and if JJ did reach that level, we would have quite a shooter for years to come. What isn't fair is comparing JJ to players that he is nothing like. Such players would be Nash, Arenas, Wade, etc... I don't like JJ at #8. You're saying there's no difference between #8 and #15 in this draft, but there is. The difference is we get our choice of the #8-15 picks. If we had #15, and JJ was what was left, I suppose I would take him. We have a better pick, so we should make a better choice. Rockets Dynasty, the basis of many of your posts are "I remember when so and so said this, etc..." I don't remember it, and unless you have a direct quote, I won't believe that you remember it either, because I remember that Arenas' problem has never been his athleticism. I even showed you a scouting report that agreed with me, and you didn't.
So many people here just can't get the point that the "experts" and opinions on players are USUALLY wrong. They seem to believe that whatever some "expert" said is true. It's usually wrong. But if it applies to Ronnie Brewer cannot shoot, then it is wrong. Like I said funny how no one has brought up Kareem Rush, he's exactly what people are claiming Redick is the anti-Redick posters. But Rush is black so no one even thought to make that comparison. Instead they just throw out any white stiff at guard they can think of. I mean come on, this is so obvious it's ridiculous.
Fine. Let's keep the comparisons fair for Ronnie Brewer too. Quit comparing him to Scottie Pippen and start comparing him to Ruben Patterson.
Like I said no one wants to here what the experts thought of Cassell or Arenas or etc. now because history has been revised. No one wants to here that the experts have been wrong plenty of times before and now they will argue and deny that these players were ever doubted by the experts and it is insulting to even mention Redick in page with their names on it. But no one here can explain why they went low in the draft. And it's really easy to just say oh Arenas was a tweener or some BS excuse like that. How many times have the experts been proven wrong on Yao? Redick is NOT a one-dimensional slow unathletic midget white stiff that cannot guard anyone, and it doesn't matter how many times people say he is, it won't make it fact. He's just one more in a long list of players that were underrated and are going to have a chip on their shoulder and will prove people wrong, which then people argue they were ever doubted. Insulting to even suggest Arenas was lowly thought of or compare him to Redick, etc. BTW Michael Redd who has no business even being mentioned with redick supposedly went 43 in the draft. Yeah they said he was unathletic, slow, one-dimensional, etc. Now people argue that and say "no they never said that about him, untrue." Next people will be claiming the experts were hailing Yao to for sure be better than Wilt.
Who brought race into this but you. I'm just saying what i see from college. He's not Hinrich. Hinrich has always been a pg and always been able to get his shot off and is a pretty decent atheletic playing a position that you dont have to be atheletic to play. The 2 on the other hand plays against the most atheletic guys in the league. Ask youself this question, whe the rox play a team like LA Lakers who might double Ming but not mcgrady. on the other end who does JJ guard? Kobe or Odom? either way the Rockets defense is now broke down from the inside. At least is i have a guy 6'7 225lbs and known as a good defender i would feel better playing him on either or switching as opposed to a slow unatheletic weak on. How about guarding Manu and Finley? What about Marion and bell or Diaw? What about Wade/ Walker or Hamilton/Prince. We're back to square one. To be a very good defense it would be paramount for us not to have to help when guards post up.
Deal, but I personally have never compared him to Pippen or anyone, for that matter. I think I may have caught one game of his during his whole career, and that certainly wasn't intentional. RD, I have no idea why Cassell went so low...way before I kept up with anything relating to the draft. Arenas, however, I do know. He was small, and he didn't have a true position. And make no mistake about it, Arenas has improved mightily since being drafted. Far, far, far more than the average NBA player. If he had improved at the average rate, he probably wouldn't be that good(Maybe average backup combo guard...A better Tony Delk or something). Arenas made almost unheard-of improvements, and he had the athletic tools to do so. Simply nothing like JJ Redick. Anyway, this thread really should die. Nothing new has been said since page 20. I'll even admit that I sound like a broken record.
Yeah, that's Casey Jacobsen. First of all, his college shooting average of .441 was nowhere near Redick's phenomenal .470. And remember, Redick did that against far heavier defensive pressure in the ACC than Jacobsen had ever seen at Stanford. Second, Phoenix and NOH are absolutely the wrong places for a pure shooter like Jacobsen. He needs to go to a half-court team -- like the Rockets. In fact, I have occasionally considered getting him for our team.
Dude we already have the truth that he isn;t slow and unathletic, yet you keep arguing that as the basis for every point you make. Don't you see the error in this?
No I watched Arenas his rookie year and his 2nd year he was tremendous right off the bat. The "experts" were simply dead wrong, you are making excuses for the true point that the experts were wrong. Cassell went low because he really is as unathletic as people are incorrectly claiming Redick is. Nonetheless he could play, again experts were wrong. And Redick who is more athletic than Cassell is talked about here like he's a YMCA player.
