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Chron: Rockets tuned in to Redick

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by mikezamir, Jun 4, 2006.

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    Chad Ford is still predicting that the Rockets will take Redick with the 8th pick. Unless there's a real disconnect between what the Rockets front office want and what JVG want, I just can't see that happening.
     
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    Because he meant that height doesnt matter if you have strength it sure does if your weaker than a baby dear(enter Jj)!
     
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    No1 said he cant take one dribble and shoot but thats not good enough at 6'4 the nba you better be able to scare the D with some explosiveness to the basket(kinda ala luther) he's a less athletic less version of luther head if you want redick than you better not argue that we dont need ben gordon because at least he is a small guy with some explosivness and shooting ability!
     
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    Sure is man i cant wait til this guy is thrown out on his backside when redick sucks it up with the magic!
     
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    1. He's a way better shooter than Luther.

    2. He's better at getting his own shot than Luther.

    3. He's a pure shooter, not a streaky one like Luther.

    4. He's 6-5 not 6-4

    5. Luther is 6-3 185, a SG in a PG's body, Redick is 6-5 190, that is SG size whether you like it or not.
     
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    Where is it listed that he is a legit 6'5? From the places Ive read he is right at 6'4 with shoes. What is worse is that he is the ONLY player to have a wingspan that is less than his height.
     
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    he measured at 6-5 in shoes.

    He is also now listed officially at 6-5.

    He is 6-4 even barefoot.
     
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    David Wesley has been an awful defender for the past 2 yrs. All of that strength, but he got destroyed by Stackhouse Finley and Howard in the playoffs. Redick is probably an upgrade defensively over Wesley, even if he isn't, he will be close. Combined with the way he fits the offense, he's a great fit.
     
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    Wow, that is ludicrous. Redick isn't/and will never be better defensively than Wesley. Quote that, write that somewhere, put it in stone, Redick will NOT prove me wrong.
     
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    How can you say that. This is getting ridiculous.

    Is Hinrich a better defender than Wesley? Because the same danged arguments made for him are being made with Redick.

    Just silly.

    DD
     
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    Come on, DD. You think I'm being ridiculous, you were also ridiculous when you were making boneheaded comments about the NFL draft.

    There is nothing silly about it. Redick will never be a better defender than Wesley.
     
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    Maybe 5 to 10 yrs ago. Not now. JJ is either a little better, a little worse or equal. We have the #4 defense now about 90 pppg, I'll take that or a liitle worse.


    Quit worrying about defense, we are one of the best defensive teams in the league,in fact #4 in PPG and #2 in opp FG% (without Tmac and Yao), because of coaching philosophy, we are going to be near the top on d regardless of Redick or Brewer being our SG. Sortable team stats

    We need to worry about offense, we are the 2nd worst team in PPG, 3rd worst in FG%, 4th worst in 3PT%. JJ would have a huge impact on our offense. Get our 2 main boys healthy, get Mike James to pair with Redick in the backcourt, and the offense could be potentially scary, while maintaining our trademark JVG excellent defense.
     
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    he tested just about like Hinrich, he's about as quick as Hinrich, he's 2 inches taller than Hinrich, and Hinrich is leaps better at defense than Wesley.

    D Wade said Hinrich is the toughest defender he faces in the NBA.

    Why wouldn't Redick being 6-5 to Wesley's 6-1, 22 to Wesley's 35, and much quicker than Wesley have the ability to be a better defender than Wesley?


    Seriously, I don't know what analysis you are using. Just from last year Coach K said redick had become the best perimeter defender on Duke and should guard the best perimeter player of the opponent.

    He STILL averaged 27 points per game and I don't recall seeing him get lit up at all.

    Wesley is NOT the defender Redick is now.

    Like I said Wesley from the Hornets is one thing, but Houston Wesley?

    Redick is definitely a defensive upgrade over him.
     
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    Good point. Nothing redundant and annoying in there like some other poster.

    Here is me being honest:

    I really want Redick. Seriously. But I don't think the team wants Redick. I am just being realistic here with Brewer because he seems the type of guy the Rockets would look at and described. CD said they want a long 2. JVG wants a 6-6 to 6-7 guy who can slash and defend. It makes sense.

    I am facing reality and getting excited for Brewer and not set myself up for a disappointment if we don't pick Redick. (which DD and Redick Dynasty are doing)

    I am also afraid Redick will dig the bench under JVG. You guys say he is not a one-dimensional shooter, well maybe he isn't. Seriously, do you guys honestly believe he will start grabbing rebounds and getting steals? You guys say he's like Sura, but he isn't. Sura is a great rebounder and all-around player. Redick is not.

    So, when the draft is over and when we don't pick Redick. I will feel for you guys, no doubt. Because I am not going down that road you guys are taking... defending Redick left and right, when it will all be a waste when its over and done with. You are wasting your breath.
     
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    Excellent post.

    The Rockets still struggle too mcuh on O even with T-Mac and Yao in there, and without them they STILL are a very solid team overall on D.

    Everyone in the anti-Redick camp keeps saying the team's basic need is perimeter D.

    Well you know what?

    JVG is a FILM guy.

    Morey is a STATS guy.

    You analyze the film, shooting is by far the #1 need.

    You analyze these stats, shooting and scoring are by far the top needs.

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    PPG Rockets 29th

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    FG% Rockets 30th

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    3 PT FG% Rockets 27th


    Now look at the defense:


    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    OPP PPG Rockets 4th

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    OPP FG% Rockets 2nd (this is WIDELY considered by coaches and GM's as THE defensive measure, not the adjusted stats.)

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top

    OPP 3 PT FG% Rockets 25th


    So...............................

    What is need #1? Scoring

    What is need #2? Shooting, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE shooting.

    What is need #3? A perimeter defender that is bigger and quicker at SG.

    Who fits the team NEED best?

    Brewer or Redick?

    If Morey is looking at stats and JVG and CD and Lindsey film like they say they do, then how could it be Brewer over Redick?

    I mean bigger and quicker SG with legit NBA SG size.....

    Brewer check.

    Redick check.

    Scoring

    Brewer check.

    Redick check.

    Shooting

    Brewer blank.

    Redick check.

    Outside shooting

    Brewer blank.

    Redick check.



    It's like the people that argue need #'s 1-5 which all involve shooting, scoring, hitting outside shots, being a 3rd opton, helping Yao on doubles and triples, working picks with T-Mac etc. believe that all the top needs are outweighed by the main secondary need, a bigger quicker defender at SG.

    But then again Redick is 6-5 and quick and that's just well ignored.

    How could you watch the game film and look at stats and really believe Redick is not the pick?
     
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    It's simple, really.

    Nine more days to go.
     
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    If Tracy and Yao are healthy, our scoring problems will be mostly solved by adding starting-level NBA players around them. Using last season's stats for next season is silly when we expect to add two superstar offensive players to the lineup who missed a boatload of games last year. For an accurate expectation of scoring, look at the Rockets during their stretch run in '05. No problems scoring at all. We just need decent players in the lineup around our two stars, 3pt shooters included. Most of us don't think Redick is a sure thing in the league and no amount of exhaustive carpet-bombing on Clutchfans will change anyone's mind.
     

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