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Chron: Rockets tuned in to Redick

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by mikezamir, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. don grahamleone

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    There is always the chance that the back rumors are true. Case is open if that's the case.
     
  2. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    ......and then shipping him off to Orlando for the rights to Ronnie Brewer and some other asset. ;)
     
  3. thacabbage

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    You're kidding, right? Kerr could have scored 20ppg on bad teams? How exactly would he have gone about doing this? With his great penetrating ability and midrange game? Kerr wouldn't have even gotten off the bench on a bad team because there wouldn't have been any superstars to draw the double and leave him wide open. He was great at what he did - knocking down the open shot. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  4. gucci888

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    The case is still wide open even if the back rumors are false.
     
  5. don grahamleone

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    I get the feeling that the Rockets aren't even close to knowing what they want to do right now. It seems like it would all depend on draft day karma.
     
  6. Matt78777

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    Ditto, two things are changing the climate right now:

    1) Redick's DWI and back injury. We won't know how serious the latter is until he resumes workouts with other teams (which he said he will)

    2) More sources are saying that Atlanta is taking Shelden Williams with their #5 pick. This means only one other team has to take someone not projected in the top 6 so that one of Aldridge, thomas, bargnani, morrison, gay or roy falls to us. Maybe Boston takes marcus williams? Someone takes patrick bryant? If we get a chance to get one of those six players I think it'll be a great draft. I wouldn't mind if we got Marcus Williams ourselves though. PG isn't as great of a need as SG, but he still could be an upgrade over alston.
     
  7. don grahamleone

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    I can refrain from posting all season, but all the offseason speculation gets to me. I can't stop thinking about it. I'm of the opinion that any single player drafted out of order nets us a solid player. In my opinion, the perfect draft order (against the Rox) gets us Redick at 8. This would mean that there are absolutely no surprises in the top 7. At this point it seems unlikely to me that that would happen. Someone will surprise us. However, Redick to Boston or Sheldon Williams in the top 7 nets us someone from this list:

    Adam Morrison *
    Rudy Gay ***
    Marcus Williams ***
    Andrea Bargani **
    TheMarcus Aldridge
    Brandon Roy ***
    or
    Tyrus Thomas ***
    stars are the more likely ones to fall (my opinion, of course)

    My 'perfect draft' is like the perfect storm. Not a good thing. To me, if these 7 guys are drafted ahead of the Rox pick, we'd be stuck with a choice of Sheldon Williams, Brewer, Carney and Redick. Those are all guys I would want. Cedric Simmons and Patrick O'bryant are interesting prospects to me. So are Randy Foye and Ager.

    I just listed 15 guys that I would be happy with. I don't know if you will agree with all those picks as players you would be happy with, but if we can't get a top guy (Tyrus, Aldridge, etc (my top 7)) I would love to trade down and see what we get. We need multiple players to bolster this line up. Why not take the best trade available? Also, that Seattle rumor of selling their draft pick is really really interesting to me.

    That being said, I trust that our talent evaluating officials will make the right choices. I just think that the more they tweak this team, the better we'll be. We need options and versatility. Find people who need what we have and trade.!.
     
  8. jdrock

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    Thought I would put in my 2 cents :D

    Arguably, Redick's biggest weakness is his ability to defend. But I'm of the opinion that he possesses a very strong work ethic and desire to improve his game. Under JVG's guidance, is it hard to imagine he can become at the very least a serviceable defender?

    I remember reading the article on the "JJ Rules", which described how crafty JJ is in getting his shot, using a variety of screens, routes, fakes, etc. From that information, it seems he depends heavily on his brain to perform well, rather than raw athleticism. I would think such a crafty player would also learn the tricks of the trade when it comes to defense. At the very least, we could feel safe JJ would never forget where he should be on the defensive end, unlike other players (Swift).

    Extending this out, I feel it's safe to conclude that Redick can become at least an average defender. He'll have problems keeping up with the likes of Kobe, Wade, etc., but then again, only 1 or 2 players in the league can keep up with them. JJ's offensive output and ability to make teams pay for double-teaming Yao and Tmac would more than make up for the points the elite 2-guards will put up anyway. Not to mention he should be able to draw plenty of fouls, putting the other 2-guard in a precarious position often.

    As an additional note, few teams have two guards that both pose severe offensive threats. Usually one of the guards is much more dangerous than the other. In these situations, we could put JJ on the less dangerous scorer and have one of our better defenders on the other.

    Thoughts?
     
  9. don grahamleone

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    I think this idea that every NBA shooting guard in the league will beat down JJ nightly is a little over stating the problem. I'm glad you brought this up. JJ does seem to be a smart player, so his brain will help him improve some aspects of his defense. Plus, we can make adjustments. JJ doesn't have to cover the best guards in the league, we'll get another guy on the team to do that. Every team has a weakness. Put JJ on the weak guy.
     
  10. don grahamleone

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    Disregard this post. I'm pretty much just restated what he said.

    I'm an idiot and I'm your poster, yes I am.
     
  11. T-2

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    :D

    Imagine if Orlando does swap with us and JJ and Brewer switch teams, imagine the swing of emotions in the chatroom...I don't think any of us will really be able to relax with our draft selection until around #15, or whenever JJ is off the board, whichever is later.
     
  12. Rockets Dynasty

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    Rockets draft Carney at 8, Orlando drafts Redick at 11.

    Orlando sends Stevenson and Redick to Houston.

    Houston sends the Moochie TE and Carney to Orlando.

    Looking at the teams drafting 8-11, their needs and the players available, this is the most likely scenario I think.
     
  13. giddyup

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    We don't pick up much for giving up the spot just outside the predicted "impact" players with second dibs (behind Boston) on anybody falling. I think that the spot is worth more.
     
  14. Rockets Dynasty

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    You get Stevenson and Redick for the #8 pick.

    How is that not impact?
     
  15. tiger0330

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    This is a great deal, you get your pie and eat it too. Get an athletic swing man in Stevenson that plays defense and get a sharp shooter in Redick. You give up potential for more depth, an experienced player and a guy in Redick that I think would be the wrong guy if we drafted him alone but might turn out to be a fine spot up shooter that could give you 15-20 minutes.
     
  16. don grahamleone

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    Agreed. I would have said cake, but oh well. This is one of the smartest offseason trades that I've ever seen. I wonder if it'll happen. Seriously, there's actually a chance at this.
     
  17. Rockets Dynasty

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    Some checking up on Redick:

    1. Duke Freshman 3 pointer record

    2. ACC Freshman 3 pointer record

    3. Duke career scoring record

    4. ACC career scoring record

    5. NCAA career 3 point record

    6. 2nd all time in NCAA history in free throw shooting

    7. One of 9 players in NCAA history to score over 3,000 points

    8. 7th all time leading scorer in NCAA history
     
  18. clutch0734

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    I would be fine taking reddick unless we had a shot at morrison or gay...we need outside shooting and thats what reddick brings us...
     
  19. don grahamleone

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    What about if we got a shot at Tyrus Thomas, Aldridge or Bargani? Marcus Williams? Brandon Roy?
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    Sounds like Redick is falling apart faster than Mario Williams. :eek:
     

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