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Chron: Rockets recognize error of their ways

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ron413, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. ragingFire

    ragingFire Contributing Member

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    What it proves is that you have no points!

    You dismissed JVG's accomplishment because it was with the "weak" Eastern Conf.

    Now it looks like you are implying all the good things were by done by Riley ... give it up man, you are just pathetic ...
    This again is just a lot of ranting and raving ... No point, no fact whatsoever.
     
  2. ricerocket

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    What it proves is you couldn't answer the ?'s The stats on their own are meaningless. Much like your pathetic attempt to cut and paste same as a way to "prove" what? That you can cut and paste. Congrats!

    Maybe your almighty JVG will end up quitting on this team like he did on your beloved east coast Knicks.... Hopefully before he gets a chance to turn them into the Knicks.
     
  3. ragingFire

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    The stats on their own do not tell the story 100% but it sure is a lot of better than just your hot air!
     
  4. ricerocket

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    I've simply exposed your pathetic attempt to paint a pictuire of what isn't there. All your stats point to is history, none of which has any relevence to this Topic or anything else. Good job cutting and pasting though. Please keep up those awesome internet skills.... :p
     
  5. striker

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    I think Brown didn't want to go to a place where guys didn't want to be taught, namely Francis. The only chance that Van Gundy has to survive as a coach in Houston is to get rid of Francis, whatever it takes.
     
  6. Rocket104

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    1. The Jordan-led Bulls are considered an anomaly in NBA championship teams. Most other winners had a dominant post presence.

    2. I remember reading Larry Brown actually liked Detroit because the player base was both coachable AND teachable - not a bunch of stalwart veterans who wouldn't listen.

    When Larry Brown was named as a possible successor to Rudy, one of the key positives was that he was a good teacher. (Charvo may be right, though - maybe he's just going for a ring this time around.)
     
  7. Charvo

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    I think the Pistons can win the Eastern conference. They got beat by the Celtics last year. That was a fluke. Larry Brown isn't getting to the Western Conference finals with the Rockets anytime soon. Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, and Kings are big barriers. This is why Larry Brown isn't even looking at developing Darko this year. He's getting too old for that stuff. The guy doesn't want to mess with the West's version of Allen Iverson and a player he can only speak to through a translator.
     
  8. fakefan

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    Mobley needs to be traded .

    some people stressed he often was our score leader, so what? what about his efficency, if he fit into our system, and look at his attitude... we will have a score leader always.

    This quote really disturbs me.

     
  9. striker

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    Not to tout the Spurs just to show a contrasting mindset and what it takes to get disciplined players. Pop, Sloan and it appears Bzdelik have the approach down pat. Just have to be a hard ass.

    MONROE: Spurs coming around under Pop
    Mike Monroe / Special to FOXSports.com

    SAN ANTONIO — Little more than a week ago, the defending NBA champions were dead last in their division, looking up at perennial dogs like Memphis and Denver. Their fans wondered what sort of parallel universe the fates had dropped them into this season.

    Six straight wins later, the San Antonio Spurs go into a Monday night game at SBC Center against the surprising Grizzlies just half a game out of first in what has turned out to be the NBA's toughest division this season. Their fans in South Texas finally have bought into Gregg Popovich's mantra — "This is not the same team that won the championship. This is not the same team that won the championship" — but they are learning to love the new Spurs nearly as much as they loved the team that won the 2003 NBA title.
    "The team that won the championship last year does not exist, and I've tried to make people understand that," Popovich said Saturday night, before his team beat the Rockets for the second time in three nights. "Some people like it and some don't, but that's irrelevant to me. What's important is it's true. We have to start from scratch and see how good we can be."

    This is not mere coach-speak from Popovich. The Spurs really are a new outfit, except for a few key exceptions. Two of the five players who started in their run to the title are gone, David Robinson to well-earned retirement and Stephen Jackson off to torment a new coach this time around. And the bench now includes four guys in the rotation who weren't on the roster last season.

    When a coach insists on complete adherence to his offensive and defensive systems — and Popovich is as rigorous as any coach in the NBA when it comes to doing things his way — it takes new players time to "get it." The adjustment period accounts for most of the struggles the Spurs had in the first 20 games. Well, that and the ankle sprains to both Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.

    How long before the Spurs finally are "his" team, which, of course, means another championship contender as long as Duncan's ankle holds up?

    "Probably February or March, as usual," he said. "I think it takes that long for everybody to get familiar and for us to win the battle — that we are going to play defense this way and we are going to play offense this way."

    Just as Phil Jackson believes the triangle offense is the best approach to offense, Popovich believes so strongly in his way of doing things that he makes even free spirits like Parker and Manu Ginobili conform. In turn, they have been able to see the benefit that derives from subjugating a modicum of their natural creativity.

    "Players tend to do what you want them to do if you're consistent and you stay on it," Popovich said. "But if you waffle or you change your system two or three times during the season, then you're going to end up with nothing in the end.

    "New players really take a while. Returning players there's no battle. But the new players have to figure out the players they're playing with; they have to figure out our system at both ends of the court. At the same time they want playing time and they want to show me how good they are and they want to show me what they can do.

    "I don't care what they can do," Popovich said. "I just care that they do what we tell them to do. They wouldn't be here if I didn't think they can do something. We wouldn't have brought them in in the first place.

    "Once we get them relaxed, and getting them to play in the system, and let the system work for them, then we start having a hell of a team. But it takes a few months to get that across to everybody."

    Bruce Bowen, the Spurs' best man-to-man defender and now in his second season in Popovich's system, already is a true believer. Ask him why the Spurs are surging, and this is his answer:

    "Because we're doing what Pop asks. That's the whole thing. Once you play in this system, you understand, let the system work for you, instead of you working for the system.

    "It takes time for guys. When I first got here I didn't just grasp hold of it right off the bat. But when you understand what Pop wants, that's when you start getting better in our system and the system starts working better."

    Rasho Nesterovic, merely asked to follow Robinson as the Spurs' starting center and beginning to put up numbers better than Robinson had last season, is getting a good grasp of the Spurs' defense.

    "It's not difficult," he said. "It actually makes the players' job much easier, because you know the help is going to be there and you know where to take your guy and people are going to help and dig and double team and everything, and that makes everybody's job much easier."

    Eventually, things figure to return to "normal" in the Midwest, with Denver and Memphis easing back towards the bottom of the division standings, along with Utah, playing its first season in 17 years without Karl Malone and John Stockton.

    It will be a shock to me if the Spurs don't finish first or second, with Denver, Memphis and Utah in the final three spots, in no particular order.

    Popovich hopes that is how things turn out, too.

    "But those are good basketball teams," he said, "and what's good about them is, and what works in this league, is that they compete every single night. All team don't do that. They have a collection of people who have the character to come out and compete every single night and Jeff (Bzdelik) had that last year in Denver, but now the level of his talent increased so it looks like he's a hell of a lot smarter, like he learned basketball over the summer.

    "He's always known basketball, but now he's got the talent to compete and he's got enough guys who have the character to do it every night. And it's the same with Utah. They compete every night, or Jerry is going to send them away some place, never to be seen again.

    That's what makes them go."

    I'm guessing Popovich has used that motivational ploy a time or two himself.
     
  10. feishen

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    What's more troubling is that it shows they dont trust(at least cat) JVG. It's like "okay, I will listen to you although I dont think it is right. Anyway, I am going to listen to you, and it's your fault if we lose.' WTH, grow up!!!!
     
  11. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    LOL. I think its time to put you on the ignore list Rice-lover. You're posts are all the same. Fire JVG, he sucks. You give some lame reason, someone defends, then you flame them. Rinse, repeat. Goodbye.
     
  12. SmeggySmeg

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    from those quotes seems like Mobes has completely bought into what JVG is trying to............especially the stuff about winning no matter what stats you get.............the stuff he is saying sounds like what the leader of the team should be saying
     
  13. Yetti

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    By the looks of the first half of to-nights game versus the Timberwolves all that was said at the Monday meeting went in one ear and out the other. This is not Team Basketball. I think Rockets players need to stop making comments to the press as their credibility is sinking to an all time low!
     
  14. Yodels

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    I think we're are passing better...we're just missing..
    plus Sam Cassell has just too much championship savvy for us...and Garnett is too much like Dream ...
     
  15. aries323

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    I believe that if this team doesn't buy in to JVG and what he's trying to do, then by All-Star there should be some changes.
    I don't know if Trading Steve is the best option, but it is a good option IMHO.
     

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