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[Chron] Owner has different vibe with new hire

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Jun 4, 2011.

  1. solid

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    Agreed, and it has been that way since he bought the team. He is clueless basketball wise. Morey is our only hope at this point and he really isn't a "basketball guy." McHale is, so we will see.
     
  2. sammy

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    A lot of people are sounding like Texans fans around here lately. Negativity galore!
     
  3. solid

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    Actually, I think the Texans have more talent overall, but that is a depressing thought.
     
  4. Corpusfan

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    Hard to believe people are buying what Alexander's selling. The coach is the coach. The GM is not, the owner certainly isn't, and I don't want Morey and Alexander making coaching decisions. Adelman is an excellent coach. McHale hasn't proven anything to this point. I hope McHale turns out to be a great coach, but it's hard to have much confidence. Alexander's words are disappointing.
     
  5. durvasa

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    When you say you don't want Morey making coaching decisions, do you mean that you don't want him forwarding data and suggested strategies based on the data to the coaches? I don't think that's a particularly uncommon thing for front offices to do. How "hands off" do you believe Morey and his staff should be?
     
  6. Deckard

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    Yeah, I have little good to say about Less at this point. He lucked out when he bought the Rockets, having one of the greatest players to ever walk the hardwood leading the team, and the perfect coach for that player and the surrounding role players, which led to the championships straight away. Other than that? He kept the team in Houston. Yes, it took some blackmail, and some hard work from those like our own Jeff Balke, and Clutch, but he is no Bud Adams, the Anti-Christ. He's also done some admirable charity work. I'll give Less that. That's about all I'll give him.
     
  7. meh

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    Out of curiousity. Since Houston has been more or less stable during Les' tenure, where do you believe Les has gone wrong?

    1. Trying to go for it all with Barkley and then Pippen after the championships
    2. Hire of JVG rather than another coach(or do you believe we should've kept Rudy)
    3. Hire Morey to replace CD rather than a conventional GM(or perhaps you believe we should've kept CD as GM)
    4. Fire JVG and hire Adelman
    5. Continue to go for championship up to the year 2009(The failed T-Mac/Yao/Artest trio jugular)
    6. Putting up with Morey trying to get role players when they should be tanking instead
     
  8. CXbby

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    Answer:

    7. Fire Adelman and hire McHale

    Well... to clarify, it used to be 6., and before that it used to be 5., and before that it used to be 4., and before that it used to be 3., ... but with the power of hindsight, we can no longer complain about those. So for now, definitely lucky #7. Oh, and when that one gets proven, 8. Not sure what 8. is yet, but we already have a special spot reserved for their next move.
     
  9. Easy

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    "Input" is the in word now for Rockets management.
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Sounds pretty reasonable when you put it like that. Do you think Rick Adelman is a pretty unreasonable guy? Or do you think they made unusually intrusive demands both of him (if he were to stay) and later to the people they interviewed? I obviously think it's the latter. I thought so before and reading Alexander's quotes in the OP, I thought so considerably more.
     
  11. durvasa

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    It doesn't have to be that one side was reasonable and the other was unreasonable. Its possible that both sides are reasonable, and they just differed on how the team should be run and the direction it should take.
     
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    It was the way in which they differed, which was to say that the front office should have more input into coaching decisions and strategy. Not to mention the insistence on grooming the coach's own replacement. I hardly think that this kind of litmus test in an interview process would lead to selecting the best coach. Rather it seems it led to failing to re-sign the 8th winningest coach in NBA history and the 1st winningest coach in Rockets history (even with an injury depleted squad throughout his tenure) and then to hiring the person that was most likely to go along to get along, to play along with the unusual level of meddling the front office insisted on doing with its next coach.

    That doesn't just piss me off as a fan. It's bad business.

    Les said this sort of thing was becoming more and more common. Where? Which team? Because I've never even heard of this kind of **** before.
     
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    No Boston doesn't. Neither does Dallas or Miami. They don't tell their coaches who to play.

    Read what I said. Morey has not proven to be competent. Well, unless you consider building multiple lottery teams as competent.
     
  15. Dreamin

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    This is a good move. I like the outlook.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    So you are saying with another coach (like, for example, McHale) this team would have been much worse.

    This, I think, is one of the common myths among the fans: that Adelman took a horrible team and made them into a 40+ win team. While I like Adelman, I don't think any coach can turn chicken **** into chicken soup. He didn't miraculously turn a 20 or 30 win team into a 43 win team. There is talent there. In fact, Adelman didn't turn the Golden State teams in a .500+ team, did he? Adelman also didn't make the 07/08 Rockets perform signficantly differently than Van Gundy both in terms of style and in terms of results.

    The Rockets have talent. The Rockets players are good not just because of Adelman, but because the hours and hours of hard work they did on their own. Adelman, for example, didn't give Lowry 3-pt shooting ability this past summer.
     
  17. Nook

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    Actually.... yes, Miami and Boston's front office do have a huge amount of say as to which players get minutes, and which do not. In Miami the front office even goes as far as to suggest which plays to run.

    I read what you said, you said very little.

    Now go back to worrying about the Grizz, and hope they can keep their assistant coaches.
     
  18. MemphisX

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    Just because you repeat the same made up crap again and again does not make it true. Getting suggestions from Pat Riley is not the equivalent of taking coaching orders from Darryl Morey. GTFO with that BS.
     
  19. meh

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    Why are you upset at someone else when you can't even phrase your own opinion correctly in writing?

    You could've just said something like "Danny Ainge and Pat Riley has had NBA experience, so their input on the coaching staff is okay whereas Morey the stat geek should not be telling the coaches anything." And make your point clear. But the way your last post was worded, you are absolutely wrong.

    At least have the decency to just correct your bad wording rather than telling others to GTFO.
     
  20. Dr of Dunk

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    Why could it not be both?

    For example, I've read that Adelman wasn't very welcoming of Morey's stats-based input and was possibly ticked off at roster moves in which he wasn't consulted. This is the disconnect I believe that they both had. I honestly believe it was a "new school" vs. "old school" as they like to call it.

    I think what it boils down to is there were two opposing views on how coaching/running a team is done that would never meld.

    My only concern is to what extent the GM/owner wants to intervene. Someone else said they believed that McHale could be next in line for the GM role here if Morey is booted. That sounds frightening. Although you'd have some pretty good assistants to move up into the coaching role if we get some of these assitants people are talking about.

    I don't have a problem really with what's being done simply because I still don't have a reading on exactly how much "tampering" the owner and GM are going to do. I still will give Morey and company at least 2-3 years to show some marked improvements (as if I have a choice) considering Yao's injury, TMac's injury, etc. I won't label Les as a tampering goofball yet since I honestly believe he's an owner trying to win as opposed to one sitting back collecting fan's money, win or lose.
     
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