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[chron] Novak focuses on defense in order to earn more playing time

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by The Hungarian Rocket, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. redao

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    Luther Head : career minutes : 4521
    Boki : career minutes : 3967
     
  2. DonkeyMagic

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    so jvg gets the blame for getting wesley/trading boki/getting deke/ryan bowen etc...but doesnt get the credit for getting the good players?

    i should have known.


    lol. contradiction much? jvg doesnt get credit for tmac, but does get blame for this move? (which isnt that horrible of a deal).

    classic!



    yeah, what a loser. he has pride and did his job! ha! But again, you dont pass out any blame to players and other front office members who could have made sure bad things happened. And by the way, playing freaking boguns and the rest of the that trash cast...who's he suppose to go to lose?



    tell me how he is to blame for MJ? can you honestly not see your contradictions? :D





    more contradictions. his fault for some trades, others credit for other ttrade. freaking hilarious.

    and then the rebuttal i was expecting. Thanks for further confirming you are to be ignored completely. :cool:

    check up on it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Hakeem Olajuwon career minutes 44222
    Brad Davis career minutes 22302
    World B. Free career minutes 26892
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    not only is it defense that novak needs to improve upon, but his in-game shooting is not that great. Limited minutes i know and i understand if he's a little amped but he's got to get that undercontrol
     
  5. ReD_1

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    His in-game shooting has very good.His choice of shoots and attempts are not.
    You have good shooters around the league but can't create their own shots.
    Thats why good shooters are respected (Finley,Allen,J.Terry ex.)
     
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  7. Zboy

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    Its quiet telling that you are holding on to Tmac with your dear life to win the argument when no one gives the credit to JVG for it. Again, How did Gundy contribute towards Tmac aquisition. I am still waiting for an explanation...

    Tmac vs. Team JVG (per redao):


    Charlie Ward, Clearance Weatherspoon, Rod Strickland, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Ryan Bowen, Rafer Alston, Rick Brunson, Richie Frahm, Jon Lucas III, Scott Padgett, David Wesly, Chuck Hayes, Juwan Howard.

    OUCH OUCH OUCH!!!


    No contradiction silly. Any coach or any GM would have taken a freebie Tmac. That is why no one gives him credit for it. It was a no brainer!!

    However in situations where he had to think and actually make judgement calls, he pretty much flopped on all.

    I give him credit for Bobby Sura. Compare that to Team Jvg...OUCH OUCH OUCH!


    Yeah that 1 or 2 meaningless regular season game sure restored Gundy's pride! Boy, I didnt know he had become so desperate. Working his pet Juwan Howard for 30+ minutes!! Sweet! Rudy saw the bigger picture and made sacrifices during refular season, and that's why he has 2 rings to boot.

    JVG was instrumental in acquiring Rafer for James. There was also an interview of him talking to his brother and being reassured that Rafer was a good PG to run his offense. Widely known as a bad move now.

    The rockets kept trying to get MJ back. Timebrwolves were ready to ship MJ to us for Juwan Howard. JVG refused due to chemsitry concerns.

    Contradictions? *laugh*


    I am beginning to sense you do not know what 'contradiction' means. if you were to "critical think'....

    Ignorance is bliss!
     
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  8. MrButtocks

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    Scola looks like a pretty good player. The spurs really did just give him away to us, seeing how they waived the only player we gave them. Does RA get credit for that aquisition?

    Now we have them both. If we traded Juwan for him midseason, we would have had Chuck as our only PF going into the playoffs. Sorry we didn't have psychic abilities, but I think we banked on needing a little bit more depth in the frontcourt. Didn't pan out.

    We did try to reacquire him, and he rebuffed our offer for Minnesota's. I was upset then, but I'm thankful he didn't. We got Bonzi because he didn't. And vspan too, which turned into our new starting PF. Funny how these things work out, huh?

    I'm with you on this one. Look up my history and see how much I raved about Brandon Roy for months before the draft, when he was projected at mid-first round. But you'll notice something else:

    1) I hate teams that tank. Straight up laughed at Boston, Memphis, and Milwaukee this year.
    2) I didn't blame JVG for not tanking the whole season and going for Lamarcus Aldridge, seeing as how our season was over in December and all.

    I wonder what your opinion of Roy was before he was drafted, since you're psychic.

    You talked about quality players. Tell me Deke hasn't been a quality player for us since he's been here. I'll know what to think of your scouting then.
     
  9. redao

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    NBA JVG league:


    New York Bald:

    Charlie Ward, Clearance Weatherspoon, Rod Strickland, Mark Jackson, Charles Oakley, Ryan Bowen, Rafer Alston, Rick Brunson, Richie Frahm, Jon Lucas III, Scott Padgett, David Wesly, Chuck Hayes, Juwan Howard, Shane Battier.

    coach: Patrick Ewing

    VS.

    Houston Hair:

    Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, Vassilis Spanoulis, Stromile Swift, Derek Anderson, Bosjan Nachbar, Keith Bogans, Mike James, Tyronn Lue, Kirk Snyder, Bonzi Wells, Steve Novak, Dikembe Mutombo, Rudy Gay, John Amaechi

    coach : Hakeem Olajuwan
     
  10. Zboy

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    Absolutely not! I like RA but I am not going to give him credit for something he didnt do.

    I am sure JVG had it all planned out. :p

    Its not psychic ability. I had been saying it all season and long before that we cannot rely on Juwan Howard for playof contribution. It was not based on some super duper ability. It was based on his career. Juwan Howard did absolutely nothing in first 4 games in playoffs! Zero! Zilch! he showed up for maybe 2 games in 7 game series. He choked away in the 4th quarter of game 7.

    I would have gladly taken my chance with Mike James in playoffs. He has proven himself in playoffs. He had 4 stellar games for Rockets in Dallas playoffs and made his contribution felt for Pistons. He is a fiery player who could have provided the help Tmac/Yao needed against the Jazz.

    I am sure this is how Gundy had designed it.

    I liked Roy. I also liked Rudy gay. Those were the two players I wanted.

    Before the season started lasy year, I also wanted Rick Adelman and had it on my signature for a while. Am I a psychic? Hell no! But when certain things don't work, I can see that changes need to be made.

    Of course Deke has been a quality player. He will help you win some games in regular season. Who is denying that? But how many meaningful years did he give us? He could hardly produce in the two playoff series against the Mavs and the Jazz. If your best example was no where to be in playoffs then I dont know what to say. The point was, he, like almost everyone Gundy lobbied for, was a temporary short term fix and running on last legs.


    The best example i can think of that Gundy can be credited for is Bobby Sura, a tough, gritty player who made things happen on the court. Unfortunately, he got injured.
     
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  11. Easy

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    Are you intentionally ducking the question? I am not talking about the break. Anyone can get to the basket on the break. The only player I would be worried about on the break is Francis.

    I am talking about getting to the basket in the half court game. Did you see the clips how Boki could get to the hoop. The only guy who could do that on our team last season was T-Mac, or maybe Snyder.

    The JVG defenders keep saying that he didn't have enough offensive players. Boki's game was what JVG needed. He can slash and he can hit the open 3. Head can only hit the 3.
     
  12. Rockets1616

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    Thats why you have someone like tmac, who can drive in, draw defenders in, and then kick it out to the wide open person for the three. Novak would be very valuable because of this. This is how Luther Head and Shane Battier got 90% of their threes, because of tmacs penetration.
     
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    his live action stats dont represent that. heck, his summer league stats doesnt support that
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Yes I have seen those clips and I honestly can't believe that's your evaluation of them. I didn't see him breaking people down off the dribble too much - apparently that's what you saw, but I didn't see a whole lot of iso's there. But if you think I couldn't cobble together 3 or 4 clips of luther driving to the basket one on one - i probably could.
     
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    In 797 minutes as a Rocket, he converted on 33.9% of his 2-point attempts. Overall, he had a 7.5 PER. Kind of low for a versatile, slashing offensive talent, isn't it?
     
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    this boki thing is a bit silly. The guy stunk here. Yes, he showed some skills and talent but he just didnt get it done. You can't wait around forever for someone to finally "get it". Much like swift. boki sucked in 05 and again in 06. Last season he finally started living up to some of his potential. Good for him. I like the guy but maybe he needed to get passed around like a joint for a couple of years for him to finally start living up to some of that potential
     
  17. blivo

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    Novak aint got no chance of cracking that rotation. All he can do is shoot threes?..Don't know what his mid-range shot is like, it may be pretty good cosidering he got called the best shooter in a while by T-mac. But the one thing he wants to get better at to try and crack the rotation he starts practising now? He should of got lessons from Battier last season.
     
  18. Felixthecat

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    I thought this was interesting....

    No longer a rookie, Novak, 24, said he does not think he must prove himself to make the Rockets' roster, but he tells himself that he must anyway. The Rockets have 20 players under contract and must trim four plus Bob Sura by Oct. 26. Novak had been assumed a prize prospect, but with the offseason additions to the roster, little can be assumed. :confused:

    What? Why not?
     
  19. Easy

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    Who is talking about breaking people down? Just simply seeing a seam and go for the hoop. Go ahead and put together some clips for Luther. I watched Luther a lot more than Boki. I have seen him do what Boki did probably about one or two times. That's two years of watching my favorite team. And Luther is one of my more appreciated players on the team.

    Sam, be honest, Boki can do everything Head can do plus fearlessly going to the hoop, and he is more than half a foot taller. Wouldn't you trade Luther for Boki if the Nets were stupid enough to offer it?
     
  20. Easy

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    That's not the Boki of last year. And we needed that Boki last year, bad.
     

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