Chron: Mutombo says he can get Rockets back on track

DD - I could only guess based on human intuition but I think if TMac comes back in good shape and gives good effort, I would think that most would be okay with it, yeah. I would bet they may be a little leary at first but would come around if things started 'clicking.' TMac has been able to do as he please because his talent is so enormous. But when that talent erodes and you don't have the mental skill to get past it, it becomes a problem. Saying Tmac doesn't have the will or the mental toughness is not a slight AT ALL on Tmac - it's just his makeup.

Some people are Captain Kirk and some people are the 'RED SHIRT' guy.
One commands the Enterprise while one panics after beaming down to the planet.
One nails the green chick and the other gets nailed by a Klingon.

It's just life - live long and prosper!

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It is not about last year, but the full body of work, he has been the leader of two teams that were up 2-0 with homecourt advantage, and wilted like a flower in both.....and he was leader of a team up 3-1 too.....

There is a pattern here.

I understand your point about last year, but if you look at all his career playoff averages, they are better but if you look DEEPER you see it is because he is playing more minutes and shooting more often...

Whereas someone like Dream or Drexler really stepped it up in the playoffs, they played BETTER....Tmac has not played better, he has just played LONGER.

So, personally, I just do not think TMac is needed, especially if he is going to demand more touches, or to have the ball more often....I would rather roll with the rest of the guys.

Because we have seen where a TMac led team goes.....first round and out baby....first round and out.....every single...TIME !

DD

 

you mention Barry thr.. everytime he gets mentioned along with the words "3 pointer" .. i always get freakin pissed why D*** "idle"man never plays him during clutch! .. thts exactly the difference between Greg Popovich ( a great coach) and Idleman (a good coach)...

 

In case you don't want to click Doc's link...

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Looks promising.....

DD

 

Great points thr as usual DD...
I am not sure about his Orlando days.. I was not following him too much at that time.. .I know he f**** it up everytime.. but on paper.. that orlando team he was on was ridiculous... taking that team so far in fact was an achievemen imo...

but yeah i agree with you.. the rockets Vs Mavs showed what we will always fall if he leads us...

but this time.. the issue is totally different.. if he gets his mind right and plays under Yao ( ok i still think Yao is not good enuf to carry a team.. but he can prove me wrong this time.. He has also not done anything in the playoffs..) or Ron.. i think we might have a real good chance!

in short.. he can be our third scorer and playmaker.. two things that are really important during playoffs..

 

yeah.. but what the hell.. he is always on the bench during the last possession !
that guy is a pure shooter who can drill it in clutch time... and he can do some great passing too.. what else does some one need...

 

Thank you.

It is the "IF" portion that is the problem, the team can no longer wait to see "IF" he gets his mind right, or "IF" he gets his body right, or "IF" he accepts a lessor role as a team player.

I mean honestly....relying on "IF"s is bad for the organization overall...better to move on and be surprised "IF" it actually happens.

DD

 

It would have been possible if they took Piston's offer last year. Imagine
we have a legit starting PG? Oh well.

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Third, hate all you want. Without TMac, this team is not going to win a championship this year, which was what everybody hoped at the beginning. If TMac keeps on being like this, or if he is traded, our season is going down the drain. So if Doc is perfectly right, then, yeah, bye bye championship. You guys act like it's good news to have an insider confirms your hatred. [/QUOTE]

 

I agree... the "iffy" part is highly annoying.. but i think we can give ONE last chance... just ONE..

we will know his attitude that once he gets back after the "so-called" rehab or "conditioning"

hope for the best... else trade him just before the deadline for starbury...

 

For the past two off-seasons, I thought the Rockets needed to bring in someone who could be a vocal leader for this team.

Turns out we already had him. It just took half a season to realize it.

 

I for one was rather skeptical of Doc Rocket, but certainly he seems to have a fairly good feel for what's going on, so it's good to have him around.

Deke's interview certainly shows that all is not right in the locker room, and indeed is worse than what's been portrayed.

TMac has disappointed me alot this year. Not so much by his play, I don't doubt his knee is bothering him, but by all the other crap.

Still, I think he's genuine when he says he'll come back stronger, but talk is cheap. I'm anxious to see what happens next weekend.

Until then, Yao has to prove he can lead, and that starts by winning. As of now, I'm still not convinced he has what it takes.

 

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That is what I am hoping for....



DD

 

I liked the idea of adding Hinrich next to T-Mac. If they trade McGrady I'd prefer if they went after a different player.

 

Fine, trade Artest for him.....we have too many wings and too few PGs...

DD

 

Because these days, you need AT LEAST two franchise players to win a championship. And no, Artest is NOT a franchise players. As much as I love Yao Ming, if you think he can get you a ring with a bunch of role players (good role players granted), then you are delusional.

The TEAM that won 55 games HAD TMac.

If you just want to get into the playoffs, you probably don't need TMac. If you just want to get out of the first round, you MIGHT have a fighting chance without TMac. Anything beyond that is just a pipedream.

Tell me realistically whom we can get for trading TMac? I don't think you can get any of the marquee players. So the only thing you can hope for is some high end role players, or some high potential young studs who need some time to develop. So yeah, no TMac, no championship this year.

 

First off I don't dislike McGrady. I've posted before that I have all the sympathy in the world for him if he's having problems with depression or whatever. But as a Rockets fan there's no question that the team would be better off without him.

Second, hoping and praying for something doesn't make that thing happen. I would rather have the hard truth than a comfortable lie. When you discount all the stuff in the media, Artest's public comments after the Boston game, when you automatically dismiss anybody who criticizes McGrady as a "hater" then you are so far in denial that you make the 9/11 truth guys look like rational human beings.

It doesn't matter if the problems in the locker room make you feel bad or you don't like the idea of the season going down the drain. What you feel is irrelevant. If it's happening, it's happening.

Third, getting past the first round this year equals a successful season. Yeah, the Rockets probably won't win a championship. Who cares? As long as the team makes progress I'll be happy. You've got to walk before you can run. And this team does not need T-Mac to get past the first round given a favorable matchup--meaning a top 4 seed.

 

Dear lord, let this be true................

 

You missed my point. I refuting your assumption that doubting Doc Rocket's take must be loving TMac.

You say I am in denial because you BELIEVE that it is FACT. All the players have said so far was that they were not happy about the situation and they were not happy about TMac's effort. Tell me where is the quote that anybody wants TMac out, as Doc said it as FACT? I am not saying that it cannot be true. It may be true. But it is not FACT yet until it comes out clearly.

Who cares? 95% of the people here care. This is supposed to be a contending team. We have been waiting for at least 4 years of getting enough talent to compete for a championship.

Trading TMac for some role players is not progress even if we got past the first round, unless you get someone like Kobe or Wade back, which is a pipedream. The only possible progress is to get a high potential young stud and hope he can develop into something comparable to a healthy TMac in a couple of years.