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Chron: Mutombo says he can get Rockets back on track

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CheezeyBoy22, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. DaDakota

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    The team has a new leader, they are following Yao, and have given up on the whiny cry baby Tmac.

    What do whiners do when people stop listening to them? THEY WHINE LOUDER !!!

    Then....finally they stop, look around, see that nobody cares, and have a choice to make......get with the program..and stop whining, or go away.

    That is what is going on, IMO. The team has stopped listening to the cry baby....they no longer believe a single thing he says...Chicken little has lost his locker room cred.

    DD
     
  2. Doc Rocket

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    I don't take ANY pleasure in Tmac acting like this - NONE - ZERO! I would MUCH rather have Tmac and Artest and everyone healthy and then go to war with that lineup. I think that lineup would do serious damage! I really believe that...so that is exactly what I want to happen.

    But personally, I'd rather have a healthy Ron than a healthy Tmac because I believe sports to be more mental than physical. Jordan was no more physically gifted than many players but his drive and will set him apart. I really think Ron's grit on defense and offense is a factor that we need as much as what Tmac brings plus I like that Ron is a wildcard and ya never know what he might do. That alone makes other people cautious. I think we need to be tougher...more so than we need the extra few points, slowed tempo, wild 3 pointers, etc... I don't like that the players defer to TMac - just don't like it.

    But overall, I'd rather have everyone and go to war.

    Also, I don't get how clear it can be that the turmoil in the locker room is not only real but bad. And it revolves around Tmac and no one else. It just is what it is...and saying it's BS after ALL THIS has come out is silly. Remember, if you're on the golf course and it's bad weather all around, saying the lightning is BS will not stop it from striking no matter how much you like golf! (That analogy totally sucked!! :mad: )
     
  3. Easy

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    First off, I hate people keep saying that whoever doubt the seriousness of the alleged locker room problem is some kind of TMac lover. I am not a TMac lover. I am a Rockets lover. If I was too blind to accept the message, it was not because I refused to believe TMac was bad, but because I refused to believe the Rockets' season was going down the drain... for now.

    Second, doubting the seriousness of the situation does not mean attacking Doc Rocket or saying that he's a liar. Doc himself admitted that he was not an "insider" in the straight sense. He doesn't go into the locker room. He hears things. His information is second hand. Every piece of second hand information goes through interpretation, and interpretations are subjective.

    We all know that the team is not in a good situation. We all know that everybody is tired of the McGrady drama. But we still don't have a direct quote from a true insider (i.e. players, coaches, management) who come out and say that any of them are fighting with TMac or want him out.

    Third, hate all you want. Without TMac, this team is not going to win a championship this year, which was what everybody hoped at the beginning. If TMac keeps on being like this, or if he is traded, our season is going down the drain. So if Doc is perfectly right, then, yeah, bye bye championship. You guys act like it's good news to have an insider confirms your hatred. :mad:
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Doc,

    What would have to happen for Tmac to come back to the team? Apologize? Get with the program? What?

    By they way, I completely agree with you about the players defering too much to him making our team too easy to guard.

    Basically, I am asking....would the team accept him back, IF...he comes in and works hard, or has it passed the point of "No return"?

    DD
     
  5. the_hustler

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    lol Doc! It is really nice to have you here... i think its pretty clear from the information u gave long back and media reports that T-Slack is the problem...
    lets hope he gets his mind rit and gets into RA's offense without complaints..

    and yeah.. Artest is our wild card.. that man is a fighter unlike you know who..

    plz plz plz keep the information (riddles?) coming.. :)
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Easy,

    Why do you think the season is over if Tmac is traded? Doesn't having Artest, Brooks, Wafer, and Landry make us better than last year?

    Even though Tmac is more individually talented, the TEAM would be better than the one that won 55 games last year.

    I don't think trading Tmac means we give up on the season, I think it depends on whom you get back, and the play of the rest of the team.

    Not to mention, the rest of the team would probably feel great that a huge cloud of uncertainty was lifted with Tmac being gone.

    DD
     
  7. blender

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    Anyway, it's good to see how Mutombo relishes the elder statesman role for the team.

    Deke should consider becoming a big man coach after he retires, since he seems to be one already.
     
  8. the_hustler

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    DD you think we are championship level without a 70-100 % T-Slack? I mean.. can we beat the elite teams?

    i am not too sure about that... we might get close.. but winning would be difficult..

    but yeah. some ppl might bring up T-Slack's 0-7 past.. but i still believe he can do things to help the team to win it all..
     
  9. blender

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    Great post, Easy.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    With a healthy Artest instead of Tmac.....yes...

    If you get a better PG like Miller or Hinrich for Tmac - yes.

    I don't think the team NEEDS TMac.......this team has enough talent to compete....without him.....

    You replace offense (Tmac) with defense (Artest)....so we get a little worse offensively but a lot better defensively....I think the team is better than last years...just in a different way.

    TMac has never won anything....EVER......and if he is here dominating the ball, they never will.

    DD
     
  11. the_hustler

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    ok. considering the case ( realistic case) where the rockets do not trade t-mac and he plays like a 70% healthy guy ( this part i am doubtful) sticking to RA's offense.. along with Ron and Yao...do you think we can win it all??

    I think we can... we might not NEED him now... we might need him AT TIMES during the playoffs.. of course... Slack needs to be a lil restrained on offense by running the motion and play proper D...
     
  12. DaDakota

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    If he is only 70%, the Rockets are beter with Von Wafer starting....this is starting to look more and more like a MadMax, Drexler situation, where the team is actually better by just telling a talented player to go home.

    DD
     
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    We don't need T-Mac for the Rockets to compete during the season. But you will need T-Mac for the Playoffs. I do believe when Artest is the game, the defense is a lot better. The effort is there on every play.

    With Brooks, Landry, Scola, Wafer, Barry, and also Battier, the Rockets can beat teams along side with Yao and Artest. But with all that said, you need T-Mac for the playoffs because he will be that third scorer. If you look at every elite team, majority of them have a third scorer. I'm not ready to say we can depend on Wafer. He's played great and he's been the best player over the past 10 games but he doesn't have the experience. I have more faith in T-Mac in the playoffs than Wafer.
     
  14. the_hustler

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    Yeah.. its showing on the court too.. but i will not put my money on Wafer so early.. if he continues to play like this for the next ten games.. WAFER WILL BE THE MAN!

    but again... too early i say.. RA should give Wafer atleast 35-40 mins a game for the next 2 weeks and see how he plays .. esp against D-Wade and others..
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Why? What has he ever done in the playoffs? Sure he scores, but only because he takes more shots.

    Which means less shots for his teamates.

    The epitome of dumb is to do the same things over and over and expect a different result.

    DD
     
  16. the_hustler

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    exactly my thoughts..

    Wafer has been fantabulous in the past few games.. but i still think he needs to get some good minutes for atleast 10 more games and see how it goes.. then we can decide how to play him along with T-Slack...
     
  17. CheezeyBoy22

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    Of course he takes more shots but he can draw double teams which lead up to open shots. Wafer doesn't command that yet. Regardless of how many shots T-Mac takes in the playoffs, he has always been known as a great scorer in the playoffs.

    I think we're putting way too much into Wafer. He's played great like I said before but there's a half of season to go. We need to see how he plays over the next two weeks.
     
  18. the_hustler

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    ok.. if this is your judgment from last yr's playoffs.. i disagree...

    i mean.. what else would you expect him to do ? pass the ball to RafeR? battier? Deke? or u want landry to take 25 shots?can he?

    cmon!

    and if he doesnt take 25 shots and passes it on to his teammates.. u guys would say he is not taking responsibility

    if T-Slack takes 25-30 shots with Artest.. wafer and yao around him.. then we can kill him for good!


    I am no T-Mac lover right now ( after Toronto.. i quit along with him)... but that was absurd ..
     
  19. CheezeyBoy22

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    My other point would be this.... Could you just picture what would other teams have to choose from when they're doubling Yao, Artest, and T-Mac? Brooks, Barry, Wafer, and Battier would be hitting the three. Everytime you double a player, you leave someone open. Just remember that.
     
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    The other thing I wanted to point out is that Wafer is really making an effort at playing defense. I'm not saying he's Battier or an Artest but he was playing decent coverage over Kobe.
     

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