Chron: MRI reveals a tear in Kevin Martin's labral

Fair enough he shoots a lot of 3pters....now compare him this year to CBud who is cheaper and plays better defense.

DD

 

1 down year with injury, new coach and shortened season.

his career shooting percentage of .443 would be the 8th best at his position for this season.

his 2pt shooting in THIS season is only .005 worse than C.lee

career 3pt shooting
allen - .400
miller - .395
martin - .377

not that far off....

The guy was made to shoot and score. Is he less effective now, with the new rules? God Yes! But that doesn't mean he is garbage, doesn't mean his offense no longer makes up for his below average defense. All it means is he is less effective than he once was. Still can be an extremely potent weapon.

 

I'm not arguing anything about Budinger or Martin, I'm just pointing out how you just throw around falsehoods without even looking the facts up and not even understanding what they mean even if it's presented to you.

 

Who said he was garbage?

I said he was not needed on this team as his skillset is covered by players that are a better fit for the team now.

I am sure if he went to Minny he would be a lot more effective.....but here on this current team, he is just not needed, we have better options for THIS TEAM NOW !

DD

 

I did think that EFG accounted for FT's - thanks for clarifying it.

DD

 

He's a 13 million dollar expiring contract for a guy that has consistently produced through out his career. Of course it has value especially with the new luxury tax coming into play after next season. I will make a tipjar bet that he will not be amnestied.

 

Just to add on...

only 2 SG's in the league shoot in the high 40s. NONE over 50%

 

You're thinking of TS%, which really should be just taken as an overall offensive efficiency akin to "points per shot", than a measure of shooting proficiency. When I try to evaluate if a player is a good shooter (in a jump-shooting sense), I look at the eFG% on their jumpers (which is all available information).

 

I don't like to jump on the T Mac hate train, but he absolutely quit on us. The other two pouted, T Mac went out on the court and quit.

 

You are right, I was mixing up TS% and EFG%...

DD

 

I agree that I doubt he will be amnestied, but look at what the 10 million expiring of Camby was able to net at the deadline this year......

and it's arguable that Camby is the more attractive player for a playoff run.

So what are you expecting back for him?

 

He won't get an extension here, so he'll continue to muddle along with no great effort. I'm not judging so much as thinking he'd be 12 million dollars of nothing here.

Hopefully Morey can find him a new team that nets us something we need, but I wouldn't be stunned if Kevin were amnestied; Morey needs the money to sign guys he wants here (DMo; Courtney Lee; Goran? Llull?)

 

i can't look it up right now, but i'm pretty sure he's spent most of his career around 40% on 3's and in the upper 80's/lower 90's on free throws. that's a great shooter. however, he is not an elite athlete and great creator of his own shot and thus he doesn't shoot a great percentage on 2's (but then steve novak wouldn't have a particularly good 2 point percentage if you asked him to score 20 ppg). although back in the day when martin drew fouls like crazy you could argue he actually was good at creating good shots and simply used his crazy foul drawing abilities to turn what would have been his better looks/attempts (i.e. when he had the defender off balance) into fouls for extremely efficient free throws and his overall shooting percentage was only a reflection of his toughest attempts. either way, it's pretty clear he's a great shooter.

but in a world where only james harden is allowed to get all of the ticky tack fouls in the nba, things haven't been as easy for martin (and he's still not that inefficient i believe).

 

So do you concede that you were wrong when you said Martin was "just an average" shooter?

 

Just admit it's not about the numbers it's about the players. You like Lee's style of play and dislike Martin's. Lee has been playing good but he is inconsistent on offense. He can not score like Martin. To think Martin has to put up HOF numbers to be better than Lee is absurd.

And for the record while Martin didn't put up the numbers you listed he did put up 25.2 ppg 4 rbs, 2.5 assists and 1.4 stls in the last 10 games before he got injured. Last year he put up 23.4 all season.

Yeah his numbers dropped to start the season. But what did you expect they changed the rules almost specifically to take out a part of his game. Plus he had to adjust to an offense under McHale who wanted to be an equal opportunity distributor and stopped focusing on him. But Martin got his mojo back until he got injured.

Lee has done a good job replacing Martin but he is not the scorer Martin is and will never be. Only a handful of wings are. Plus no more than ever with Camby and Parsons you can tolerate Martin's defense. Which isn't as bad as advertised by the Martin haters.

Martin never quit on this team. Martin got injured. Yeah he did call out Morey for treating the team like a bunch of assets and later felt exactly like that after he was off the team then back on the team after a botched trade. And from that point on was on every trade rumor. Still he figured out how to get his scoring back and to play in McHale's offense. Probably they both adjusted some and average 35 points over the last 10 games before his injury. This team could use him. You can only play so much good D at some point you have to score. They will need that in the playoffs. Whether he is a 6th man or starter he can still help.

 

Thank you for some sanity!

 

Whatever benefits the team.......Same old story......
Before his injury no way he was averaging lots of points, because the team was having problems......
4-6 record.... with him averaging 14.4 points....
I got called a hater for speaking out the truth....apologist.....

 

Last 10 games before he went out.....

Mon 2/20
vsMEM
W 97-93
22 points

Wed 2/22
vsPHI
W 93-87
16 points

Tue 2/28
vsTOR
W 88-85
14 points

Wed 2/29
@ UTAH
L 83-104
6 points

February
13.7 points


Fri 3/2
vsDEN
L 105-117
35 points.... one game

Sun 3/4
vsLAC
L 103-105
25 points

Tue 3/6
@ BOS
L 92-97
11 points

Wed 3/7
@ TOR
L 98-116
7 points

Sat 3/10
@ NJ
W 112-106
5 points

Sun 3/11
@ CLE
L 107-118
3 points

 

He reinjured the shoulder in Boston on 3/6

 

Not gonna answer huh? Typical. Of course DD will never own up to making sht up.