Guys, please remember this before you propose a trade: Heats is being desperate about any starting point guards, but we are just looking for an insurance at the PF spot. Alston + Novak + Reed for Haslem + 2nd round (yes) Alston + Snyder + Reed for Haslem (yes) Alston + Head + Snyder for Haslem + 2nd round (no, we are overpaying here) Alston + Head + Snyder for Haslem + 1st round (something to consider) I don't want to include any 1st round pick from the Rockets side, since I think Morey is very good at drafting diamond from the rough.
I don't really think it;s about comparing Haslem to Hayes because with the trade ideas going around, Hayes won't be involved in the trade so there's a chance both Haslem and Hayes would be on the roster come October. So the question is, who would be more valuable to the team? Rafer or Udonis. Rafer would be the 3rd point guard option while Haslem is another big at a weak position this is a reason to look at Haslem.
Shotblocker and a rebounder is usually an all-star player or all-defense player. I want Ben Wallace or Camby.
Some of you guys are killing me with these stats. WATCH SOME GAMES!!!! Haslem is a better player than Hayes is, period. I love Hayes, but he is just a scrappy, hustling 6'6 PF on his best day. He can't defend anyone due to his height (all the PF's can easily shoot over him). He isn't a great help defender because he isn't a shotblocker. You can completely ignore him on offense, forcing us to always play 4 on 5 whenever he is on the floor. He shouldn't be getting major minutes on a contending team, period. If you ever took the time to watch Haslem play you would note that he can hit an open jumper...something our PF needs to be able to do. He is a solid rebounder (led the team this season). He isn't a great shotblocker but he is a solid defender. I don't see how anyone who actually watched Heat games, especially ther championship run, can say Hayes is a better defender than Haslem. Haslem may be only 6'8 but he has length...and he was athletic enough to chase around Dirk in the Finals (he and Posey had him on lock). Haslem would be a great addition to our team assuming we don't have to overpay for him.
In the playoff, the PF we are likely to face are Duncan, Marion, Boozer, Dirk, so I would expect someone to guard them effectively. Haslem is better than Hayes offensively, but he is worse than Hayes defensively. Like Tmac said, we don't need anymore on the offense end, rather, we need a defense present who can rebound and does the dirty work better than Hayes.
I would be happy with this... Rafer Alston, Kirk Snyder, & Justin Reed for Udonis Haslem & Michael Doleac. (works under salary rules)
I think the only benefits to this trade are the positions involved, with our glut of PGs likely attracting Miami who are in desperate need of one. Aside from that, Haslem offers nothing more than our current duo of Scola/Hayes. At this point, with all the firepower on the team, I think offense should be the last interest of our power forwards. Rebounding and defense are the two primary concerns -- just a dog on the block. If Reggie Evans' contract wasn't so bloated, he would be an ideal fit imo. Nonetheless, Rafer would be fit salary wise, and Denver would likely be interested -- with them having lost Blake, whom Rafer is still an upgrade to. Rafer is the likely the more valuable player but to us, a PF is more important... Shelden Williams is another player I'd have definite interest in (I hated him because he was a Dukie, but he's hard to muscle, has great anticipation, and is a very strong rebounder) -- Atlanta did just draft another PF with their top pick (Horford) and could use someone like Luther Head with Joe Johnson being their only real shooter.
That little difference pulls a defender 2 steps further away from the paint and from Yao allowing enough time for Yao to get his shot off before the double team can come. With Hayes in the lineup, there is no reason to ever leave the paint and double teams can come immediately. The difference between winning basketball in the NBA can be the 2 steps that are created by that little "upgrade".
100% agreed. Shelden Williams is too ugly though. I mean, look at him. If a player can ever be too ugly to be in the NBA, it has to be Shelden.
Garnett? pfft, why stop there, how about Amare, or better yet, Dwight Howard. Actually, lets get Moses Malone back in this.
I can accept these, but the margin is no where near as great as the gap between Haslem and Hayes offense. Another factor is the most Hayes has ever played is 22MPG, Haslem has been as high as a 33MPG player. Hayes is a fairly effective half time rotation PF, Haslem is a decently well rounded full time PF. Of course it is also harder to maintain defense and rebounding intensity when you are playing over 30MPG, so you can't say Chuck could maintain his averages if asked to do more. Fact, the Rockets defense is right at the tops of the league. Fact, the Rockets offense is in the middle of the pack. I have no illusions about Haslem, he isn't a near all-star or anything, but he has many of the qualities of Hayes and Howard rolled into one, and would be the best all-around PF we have had in a long time. ALSO, we should not OVERPAY for Haslem. What we would try to do is parlay Miami's desperation for a servicable PG (Alston, James) into getting them to OVERPAY for our guy. Alston and Hayes or James strait up for Halsem is pretty good value, and it is only possible because Mia is in major need for a PG and James/Alston are much better than FA alternatives.
FACT. Rookie, you just don't get it. You can throw all the stats you want out here but ask anyone who has ever played what the key to winning NBA basketball is and they will say Defence and spacing on offense. Without people on the floor who can create "space" for your stars to operate, you don't win. We lost to Utah because we only had three people on the floor that had to be guarded. When your 4 spot and your point are both offensive liabilities and don't have to be gaurded, the offense will always be stagnant and you will have trouble scoring. You can have all the defense you want but if you play 3 or 4 on 5 basketball on offense, you will have trouble scoring in crunch time. That statement is a microcosm of the entire 2006/2007 season.
Well said. We need Hayes with Juwan Howards regular season jumpshot because he couldn't hit the ocean from the beach in the playoffs.
