[Chron] McNair expected to keep Kubiak, hire Phillips

Fox also has shown that he is capable of a 2 win season. 2 wins, think about how difficult it is to pull that off.

Fox is such a random name that was brought up in this thread...I dont even understand the point of discussing him as the HC.

 

Yes, because we all know that you, who's on here spewing vitriolic vomit about a 36-43 coach who's about to finish a 5-11 season, would have absolutely hired a 36-44 coach who had just finished a 5-11 season. You're not ****ing stupid!!!!! You KNEW he was going to win 3 SBs. KNEW IT!

Come on. You're a better poster than throwing that kind of flaccid **** up on the wall.

 

I found it interesting - OK, ridiculous - that you would, in the same thread, label Kubiak and/or Phillips the exact kind of failed retread the team should avoid while championing the very definition of a failed retread. Total disconnect, IMO.

While I agree: Fear should not govern your handling of Kubiak, neither, should "any change is good change" drive your search for a replacement. But you keep intricately linking the two ideas as if they're joined at the hip: Firing Kubiak is step one. Hiring his replacement is an altogether separate step 2. If your guiding principle is, "At least he's not Kubiak," then your replacement search has failed.

The idea should be to get better, not different.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...running-texans-defense-it-just-didnt-work-out

Frank Bush isn't under any illusions entering Sunday's season finale. He knows he'll most likely lose his job as the Houston Texans' defensive coordinator after the game.




"I've got to find a way to sell myself to another organization," Bush told the Houston Chronicle on Friday. "I'll stay positive. I'll stay upbeat. I'll keep believing in the things I do."

Bush, who has run the Texans' defense for two seasons, could be replaced by former Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora on Wednesday. Phillips would inherit a unit that ranks last against the pass (277.1 yards per game) and 29th overall (380.6 yards per game) this season.

Despite those numbers, Bush stands behind his work in Houston, saying Friday that "I felt like we had the right approach."

"A lot of different things (went wrong)," he said. "We gave up plays that we probably should have made, and we lost some games in the end that were tough emotionally on our kids.

"We still feel good about our approach. It just didn't work out."

If the Texans lose to the AFC South rival Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday, they will finish the season 5-11 -- their worst record since 2005. Head coach Gary Kubiak, whose worst record in five seasons is 6-10, is expected to return in Houston, but defensive backs coach David Gibbs likely will be fired, according to the Chronicle.

 

QUOTED FOR THE TRUTH

Kubiak will ALWAYS underacheive and his apologist will find someone else to place
ala David Carr

Rocket River

 

When you have a Good QB, Best Receiver in Football, Top 3 Running back in football, Pro Bowl FullBack, Two Defensive Rookies of the year at Linebacker, and a ProBo Defensive end . . . . . .

10-6 is a disappointment.
When you have a team that SHOULD WIN 13 games
and the struggle to make 10 . . .
IT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT

I predict 4 SHOULDA WIN games that Kubiak will cost us next year!!

Rocket River

 

Has Mr. Fox ever had the following on his team?
A Good QB, Best Receiver in Football, Top 3 Running back in football, Pro Bowl FullBack, Two Defensive Rookies of the year at Linebacker [and they stil l young] , and a ProBo Defensive end . . . . . .

Which of his 'mediocre' years did he have all this.

Rocket River

 

Does anyone think he will EVER get another DC job?
Isn't his career basically over . . .or rather going to stagnate to being
Lineback coach or something like that ?

Rocket River

 

Fox had one of the most talent defenses in the NFL...the talent level on that defense was top notch, with the likes of Peppers, Rucker, Minter, Gamble, Lucas...lots of talent there.

Also, Delhomme was quite good during those years...on par with what Schaub is doing now. And Steve Smith was in the prime of his career...100+ catches, 1500+ yards, 10+ TDs...just as much production as Andre.

To say that he coached up the talent would not be correct. If anything, severely underachieved during the 7 and 8 win seasons.

 

Delhommme did a LOT of the things he is doing now in Cleveland. He had better receivers and a better offensive line in Carolina, but he was pretty much a chucker. How many times did I see him just heave it downfield while almost going fetal only to find a wide receiver inexplicably wide open? Some of the plays he was making back then I couldn't believe weren't INTs. He was a very lucky QB. His running attack didn't hurt either with Davis. (Like maybe he was playing the Texans D every week).


Schaub gets lucky every now and then, but so does every QB. Jake brought it to new heights. He was nowhere near as good as Matt Schaub is now. And he had a much more competent game manager at the HC position than Matt does.(wait what?)

I would rate Delhomme a little better passing version of Trent Dilfer.

 

Respectfully, you are in full on "defend the Texans" mode, the same way you were with David Carr. I appreciate that there is a whole lot of hate out there, but the answer isn't to try and "balance" it with an equally irrational absolute defensiveness.

I like Kubiak. I received a whole bunch of hate in another thread for not saying the dude should be drawn and quartered. It has nothing to do with hate for Kubiak. But the kind of toughness that Fox would bring to the defense is exactly what this team needs.

He was the coach of a 2-14 team that everybody knew was going to suck entering the season because all of its talent was gone and Fox was essentially told his contract wouldn't be renewed before last year.

If both he and Kubiak were fired today, Fox would have another head coaching gig long before someone hired Kubiak as a HC again. Someone would snatch Kubiak right away as a coordinator. They'll snap Fox as a head coach. That is just the truth. Fox is in the top of the second tier of potential coaches, after Chucky and Cowher.

I'd be pleased as punch if the Texans had the sort of playoff success that the Panthers have had under Fox, no matter how many 8 win seasons were mixed in. Fox was hired on at a 1-15 team and was in the Super Bowl in two years. If Kubiak did that, I think more people would be giving him a pass for this year's 5 win team. You are complaining that Fox has too many 8 win teams. What does that mean for Kubiak, who's second best year is an 8 win team? And even if you mix in the 2-14 season, Fox still has a career winning percentage of .510 to Kubiak's .456.

 

I never championed Fox. I said I'd prefer him over Kubiak. There are LOTS of coaches that I'd prefer over Kubiak. Some because they are clearly better. Others because they bring a different perspective and are, at the very minimum, his equal.

You can't get better OR different if you don't fire Kubiak. The whole point of the Fox discussion was not that Fox is great. It's to show that it's not "Cowher or bust!" There are plenty of other options out there that would be better than Kubiak. As Ottomaton pointed out, Fox took a 1-15 team to the Superbowl in 2 years. He has a track record of success that far exceeds anything that Kubiak does - which is as much a statement about Kubiak as anything else.

 

Thats not entirely true...sure, there are some analysts that predicted them to be among the worst in the NFL, but there were just as many that expected a mediocre year from them.

Bleacher Report predicted 7 wins.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/451679-nfl-regular-season-2010-record-predictions-for-all-32-teams#page/28

A computer simulator predicted 10 wins.

http://www.whatifsports.com/beyondtheboxscore/default.asp?article=2010NFL_PlayoffPredictions

A discussion about how they could be competitive.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2907272/2010_nfl_predictions_carolina_panthers.html?cat=14

Prediction of 6 wins.

http://www.sportsbooklists.com/blog/nfl/carolina-panthers-2010-preview-predictions-072310/

7 win projection.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2907810/20102011_nfl_season_winloss_predictions.html?cat=14

Shows the over under betting for their wins to be at 7.5.

http://www.docsports.com/2010/carolina-panthers-strength-of-schedule-futures-odds-predictions-615.html

Sure, there may be some predictions that the Panthers would compete to be the worst team in the NFL...but Vegas, as well as many other people, felt that the Panthers would finish 3rd in the division, behind the Saints and Falcons. However you want to slice it, the Panthers completely underachieved this season.

 

It's not that difficult. When you have no QB, all your RBs are injured, and no WRs, it's very easy to suck. Take Schaub, Foster, and Andre off the Texans, and they would struggle to get to 2 wins. This was a known transition year for the Panthers, and they were never expected to be decent, let alone good.

He's also shown himself capable of taking a talented team to the Superbowl. That's something our coach has not remotely done. And since no one cares what a coach does with a team with no talent, this would seem to be the more relevant experience.

But all that said, he would be option 5 or 6. If Cowher or Gruden aren't interested or available, a guy like Fox would still be an upgrade over the current coach. Your "Cowher or keep Kubiak" philosophy is just silly.

 

They were never expected to be good...but they werent expected to be the worst in the NFL, even with the question marks they had at QB. They still came into the season with a great running game and a solid defense.

Injuries happen...I dont think the Panthers were any more prone to it than other teams around the league.

Again, not saying they should have won 10 games...but the Panthers getting 2 wins is equivalent in nature to the Texans getting 5 wins.

You would think the Panthers would have seen the success Fox has had with the talented teams he's coached and give him a pass for this season...but thats not the case, he will be shown the door. That happens when you dont meet expectations.

 

Agreed

Rocket River
. . . .and some people think 610 shills for the hometeam.
some folx here seem like they should be employees of the Texan PR Deptartment

 

Kubiak will become only the 2nd coach ever to get a 6th year with a team having never made the playoffs.

The other was Bart Starr who was finally fired after 9 seasons. Starr did eventually make the playoffs in the 1982 strike shortened season, his 8th year as head coach.

 

I think Im just too pissed to really care who the hell the head coach is next season.

 

What part of their top two starting running backs being injured throughout the season do you not understand? Not to mention Steve Smith got injured, and their QB situation was horrible. John Fox is a good coach. Made it to a Super Bowl and I believe two other NFC Championship games.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot the Panthers were the only team in the NFL that had to deal with injuries. Steve Smith missed 1 game this season...what a blow. And they were 1-6 when DeAngelo Williams got injured. Jonathan Stewart missed 2 games the entire year.

Again, I forgot that the Panthers were the only team that was plagued by injury, so disregard my post. My bad.