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[Chron] McNair expected to keep Kubiak, hire Phillips

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Dec 30, 2010.

  1. Cannonball

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    We had a competent defense last year. We did manage 4 more wins than our current total, but we still pissed away games we should've won and missed the playoffs.

    I'm sure the defense will improve, it'd be hard for it not to. And while we should do better than 5-6 wins, I still expect major disappointment and more frustration from the fan base.

    I guess my beef isn't so much with Wade as it is the thought that he's the missing piece or the solution to our problems. He isn't, but nobody is really. Not with Kubes still running the show.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    ric, would you rather have kubiak or fox?
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    And...? We're now opposed to 10-6 seasons?

    Were they in the 2:00 offense in week 1? What about last year? I think some of the charges levied against Kubiak are vastly overblown. They have some room for improvement on offense. They have a universe-worth of improvement on defense.

    And I've never seen it confirmed anywhere that Schaub calls plays in the 2-minute offense. Every two-minute drill I've seen, he's always waiting to get the play call in his receiver.
     
  4. studogg

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    are you really going to pull the anomaly card and play it?

    Did they play the way they did in week 1 in any other game?
     
  5. Hey Now!

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    Neither. Comparing Fox to another mediocre coach doesn't elevate his status any - he's still mediocre. Would you trade Steve Slaton for... Laurence Maroney? BUT LAURENCE MARONEY HAS BEEN TO A SUPER BOWL!!!!

    I can't believe people are so blinded by their anger and/or frustration that they're advocating hiring the coach of a 2-14 team. And not a team that was 2-14, like, 5 years ago. He's in the process of completing the 2-14 season! That's just preposterous.
     
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    and I can't believe people are dumb enough to be ok with entertaining the thought of keeping David Carr, er, kubiak.

    do you think the talent level of the texans and panthers are even remotely comparable?
     
  7. rezdawg

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    I think the Fox talk is silly...youre basically hiring a coach that is just as mediocre, yet Fox would have the disadvantage of not really knowing the players, their strengths, weaknesses, etc...

    In other words, we'd be taking a step back next season.

    If we are going to hire a new HC, it needs to be an upgrade...a coach that is definitely better than Kubiak. I dont want to keep Kubiak at all, but if we arent going to sign a Cowher or Gruden, then its pointless.
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    ****ing stupid. please go root for another team.
     
  9. Major

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    I can't believe that people are so blinded by the lure of Kubiak's magical offense that they are ignoring all his other flaws to argue that he's at the level of a fairly mediocre coach who's been to a Superbowl and has a 5-3 playoff record.

    If you'd pick Kubiak over Fox based on their career track records, you've been completely sucked into the Bob McNair "but we could do worse!" attitude.

    The simple fact of the matter if that Cowher/Gruden/Dungy are the "best case" of firing Kubiak. The Fox's of the world are arguably the worst case. And the idea that the Texans should keep Kubiak because of the possibility of the worst case happening otherwise is laughable.
     
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    I'm not among those concerned that they "only" play a half and such and such. Sure, I'd love to see more game-long consistency. But if you're (fairly consistently) posting 400 yards and 24 points a game, I don't care how it happens - a) you're a capable offense; b) you should be winning more than 5 games. I mean, finding the formula to playing 4Qs seems a whole hell of a lot closer than the defense being good enough to win a game when the offense is off. When has that happened?

    They enter every game having to score a minimum of 4 TDs and play mistake-free football. And that's not an exaggeration. You don't think that takes a toll on how you plan and execute game plans?
     
  11. Major

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    Except that ignores the reality of all the other teams in the NFL that improve in head coaching changes despite not knowing their personnel. The real world simply provides overwhelming evidence that you're just wrong.

    You really think coaches are so stupid that they can't look at film and identify a players' strengths and weaknesses? :confused: The advantage of a new coach is that they bring their own strengths and it gives you the ability to build on what you already had and add new those new strengths into the mix.

    Kubiak is not unique in the world. He's not irreplacable. He's not some magical genius that is better than anyone not named Cowher.
     
  12. Hey Now!

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    You're arguing with yourself here. I absolutely, positively, 100-and-ten percent think they should fire Gary Kubiak, all other considerations be damned. But they'd be absolutely, positively, 100-and-ten percent stupid to hire John Fox.
     
  13. Major

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    How do you think this works? They realize they need to score a lot, so they design different game plans that are designed to score less points until they are out of the game? If they didn't need to score so much, they'd have much smarter game plans? :confused:

    The fact that they execute late in the game suggests that having the pressure of needing to score is not the fundamental problem with the offense.
     
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    if ric ran the patriots, belichick would have never been considered as their head coach. ****ing stupid.
     
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    Can you explain why hiring another mediocre coach is the way to go? Yes, I agree that Kubiak is average, at best...but signing someone on his level will not allow us to reach our goals any sooner. The problem in this whole scenario is that McNair isnt looking at someone like Cowher.

    Take your anger out on him and stop whining like a little b****.
     
  16. Major

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    You're the one that started arguing with me over the fact that I said I'd take Fox over Kubiak.

    And yet, it would be better than keeping Kubiak. All I've said is that if Fox is your worst case that you fear might be the result of firing Kubiak, then you'd be stupid to not fire Kubiak. I'd much prefer they fire Kubiak, strike out on all the top-tier coaches they want, and get stuck with John Fox than keep Kubiak. They'd STILL be in a better spot than they are now.
     
  17. Rocketman95

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    kubiak is not mediocre.

    quit being such a vagina and realize that hiring a functional r****d would be a step in the right direction.
     
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  18. Major

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    How do you know that? Teams improve all the time with lateral coaching changes. What we absolutely 100% know is that Kubiak is failing. What is the harm of trying something different? That they continue to fail?

    Fox has been to the playoffs. He's been to a Superbowl. He may be mediocre, but he at least has a track record of some success. And he brings a totally different perspective to a team that is in need of a different perspective.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    Newsflash: It's not my decision. If it were, I'd fire Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak, his entire staff and everyone in the personnel/scouting department. I'd clean house top to bottom.

    But that is apparently not going to happen. So what are we arguing here? It's a terribly stupid decision. But if that's the decision they're going to make... bringing in a big-time defensive coordinator at least addresses the far and away biggest issue with this team. And given that course of action (which, again, is not my decision) I think - think - it might even fix the problem in a way that will cascade to other areas of concern and address them as well.
     
  20. rezdawg

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    I want Cowher/Gruden and I think anything less than that is r****ded. Im putting this all on the owner. I dont want an average coach when we have great coaches lining up for the taking.

    You're the one that initially got your panties twisted. You should take a breather.
     

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